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Elbe Trackway

- I'm trying to carve out enough time in my life to become proficient in bowhunting. Tracking skills are almost completely irrelevant in field ornithology, so this is definitely a deficiency of mine and one I'll need to correct if I'm ever going to put some venison on the table.
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Bravo.
 
The Shrike said:
Ouch! Even I could spot that one! Why isn't this little tid-bit more widely known?
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Maybe because people don't want to take on the burden of proof for that. Do you have proof of two left footprints or is that just somebody's opinion of what they saw?
 
The Shrike said:
Super-awesome, Jodie! I'm sorry you broke your cast, and very grateful that you took the time to do this for me.

On some of the photos it's difficult to tell if the material between the toes is at-grade or not. In at least one of them (cast print-footprint left side) it actually looks to me like it's below-grade in the footprint and at-grade in the cast print. Do you see that too?
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I did see that, that is why I wasn't sure how helpful my pics would be. That was sand and as I moved around them the wind did do a bit of blowing as a storm moved in. Weather is one of the things you have to consider when tracking and the substrate involved, sand does not hold up well, but mud should. Get some of those Vibram shoes and practice with them on and off when you happen across a mud flat while out birding.
 
I understand there's a number of fingers pointing toward one person as the hoaxer of the Elbe trackway, with some behind the scenes evidence that seems to be an IP address of the original e-mails sent to Cliff and the BFRO matching up with a BFF member. Seems like an attempt by someone to discredit them, but it backfired.
 
If Cliff was the target of the hoax, then this is probably justified. If you watch Finding Bigfoot, then Cliff is theoretically, hoaxing 10 million people each and every week of the TV season.
 
Superfly-
So you are saying that someone in charge at an internet forum voluntarily went into its confidential records, retrieved confidential information and disclosed it to private individuals who predictably then proceeded to use it to harass a member via the internet? Superfly, those could be some serious charges you're making. Surely a major internet forum would know the laws on those issues; surely you are mistaken.

Ianal and I can't speak to the present case but speaking hypothetically, an internet forum that did such things as have been suggested by Superfly's post might well have put themselves in a rough patch or two, so to speak. Hypothetically.
 
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Has anyone written anywhere that these were just foot prints and not a hoax? Not bigfoot footprints, simply a large footed human out for a walk/jog?

The hype on that trackway was ridiculous, now rumor has it someone in charge is giving out personal info to capture the hoaxer who made those few folks involved look silly.... LOL.

I appreciate some of the good tracking info in this topic being shared. Thanks.

Now for some humor based on the CT.,



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SuperFly said:
I understand there's a number of fingers pointing toward one person as the hoaxer of the Elbe trackway, with some behind the scenes evidence that seems to be an IP address of the original e-mails sent to Cliff and the BFRO matching up with a BFF member. Seems like an attempt by someone to discredit them, but it backfired.
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Well, it certainly didn't backfire immediately...
 
It was doomed to fail from the start. How can you discredit an organization that doesn't have any credibility?
 
Rick Noll had all the time in the world to look at those tracks and he is supposed to be one of the best and most respected "experts" around.
He certainly has been around the longest as a very active field researcher in Bigfootdom. He has been involved in many important "finds" and television productions going back many years as well.
http://www.cryptomundo.com/ricknoll/

Rick Noll posted them without picking up that they were fakes.
I would say that alone makes the hoax a very successful one.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Well, it certainly didn't backfire immediately...
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Yes, there was certainly early enthusiasm from the BFF believers. I guess if you can "count coup" on about two weeks of posts, then it was a resounding success. However, I don't think that was the goal of the hoaxer, do you?

The ultimate prize was for this to work its way through the investigation process, be declared a profound new BF trackway, then come out with the "zinger" reveal. Instead, the investigators smelled a rat, one of the independents started the BFF thread and got everyone excited, then it all blew up with the possibility of being outed as a hoaxer. Now, instead of being able to proclaim himself as a skeptic hero he's scrambling to disavow himself from his effort. Quite a shame, since this was such a "masterful" attempt.
 
rockinkt said:
Rick Noll had all the time in the world to look at those tracks and he is supposed to be one of the best and most respected "experts" around.
He certainly has been around the longest as a very active field researcher in Bigfootdom. He has been involved in many important "finds" and television productions going back many years as well.
http://www.cryptomundo.com/ricknoll/

Rick Noll posted them without picking up that they were fakes.
I would say that alone makes the hoax a very successful one.
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Agreed. There is a great deal of CYA going on at the BFF about this, but the truth is Noll stated he was of the opinion this was the real deal. That such as supposed "expert" could not immediately spot this as a hoax shows:

1) He couldn't tell the difference between an elk's arse an a BF track if he saw the creature making them

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2) Noll is the con I expect, and he proclaimed these the real deal because he thought he was helping out a fellow "researcher"/con.

ETA: I suspect the "hoax" lite bulb went off on these dimwits when they all had asked one another privately which one of them laid down the trackway. When no one owned up they no doubt realized they were being set up.
 
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William Parcher said:
Maybe because people don't want to take on the burden of proof for that. Do you have proof of two left footprints or is that just somebody's opinion of what they saw?
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This was an observation made by lifetime Bigfoot proponent Rene Dahinden who spent his life (and all his money) looking for evidence of sasquatch.
He claims to have found it during his investigation of the tracks and brought it to the attention of Green, Meldrum, Freeman, and Krantz at the time.
He attacked Freeman vociferously over this and heaped scorn on him whenever he could.
I remember his condemnation of the trackway and I remember the hatred he had for Freeman and I remember his claim of the left, left trackway.
Outside of that - I have no real proof other than his word and I sure don't remember Rene ever being easily fooled.

Either way - I respect and believe Joel Hardin's opinion which was part of the report made by the Forest Service at the time of the incident. It didn't take him more than a few seconds to make his mind up it was a hoax.
 
LuvGodzilla said:
Has anyone written anywhere that these were just foot prints and not a hoax? Not bigfoot footprints, simply a large footed human out for a walk/jog?
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Only the smaller ones that they found to go along with it.
 
Yes, but they said they had doubts before they doubted the big ones. :)
 
http://www.thomsquatch.com/2012/09/the-elbe-trackway-i-doubt-it.html

The funniest thing for me is the idea that bigfoot is smart enough not to walk in the mud and leave tracks...

Not an obvious fake, really, but very wet mud seen here was only found right along the water. Why would a cautious creature walk where such vivid impression would be left, when most of the beach was dry sand and cracked, drymud?
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