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Elbe Trackway

bwahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!

let me see your war face!

arghhhhhhhhhh

you don't scare me let me see yer real war face!

arghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!

people, bless their hearts.........
 
AlaskaBushPilot said:
Thanks, I worry about doing too much of it. In the Elbe trackway stories too the narratives are just like the photos: staged and cropped.

If you wrote it with the intention of explaining how to get there, it would be something like "pull off highway where railroad tracks cross on north side of train yard. Tracks are on edge of water there."

That most essential feature of the trackway is the one thing missing from every description by someone who was there: yet every one of them had to be given this description in order to get there. So it shows the universal lie by omission in 'footery.

One story of the Elbe trackway I remember the author making comment about the driftwood he had to navigate and it reminded me of the time some buddies had me take this girl from LA off in the forest, just an ordinary day dragging home a tree for firewood. I jumped off the machine and went a few steps to a tree I had downed and told her to come over and see what I was doing. She said "how do I get there?" There was no sidewalk I guess. I just laughed and laughed, and that's why my visitors had sent her with me.

It is easy to hoodwink that kind of person.
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Parts of the Skookum report are comedy gold. Late Thursday and then Friday is the money time.

http://www.bfro.net/news/bodycast/expedition_details.asp

Here's an appetizer:

Several experienced Sasquatch field researchers in the group noted that they had likely seen this behavior before -- track patterns suggesting the animals did not want to leave obvious tracks behind -- relatively consistent avoidance of soils that would have left the most clear track impressions. This is in contrast to most other large mammals, which usually don't make special efforts, or take special paths, to avoid leaving tracks behind. We also noted that in cases where lots of clear Sasquatch tracks have been found, the locations were usually in very remote areas that saw little to no human human traffic -- such as Bluff Creek in the late 1950's.
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Oh Jesus you guys - that's the first time I read the whole background on that. The "activities" like "re-arranging the water supply" (moved 5 gallon jug?) are pretty funny for the art in making the most trivial thing seem like a lot more than it is.

The lack of tracks proving the presence of the animal in question - this is a new insight for me. It explains a lot for why I have been unable to detect all manner of animal here, like elephants and crocodiles, pandas and tigers...
 
And there's this too:

"All conclude the animal sat down at the edge of the mud, then leaned down on its left forearm and reaching out over the soft mud to grab the fruit with its right hand a distance of about three feet. The group discusses the possible reasons why the animal might have done this, instead of simply walking into the wet mud to grab the fruit, as the other animals may have done. The mud is only a few inches deep. One possible explanation is immediately apparent -- the animal did not want to leave tracks. The marks it did leave are much less distinct than footprints -- relatively shallow and easy to miss from even a short distance away. There was speculation about why it didn't want to leave obvious footprints in the mud. "

This sort of thinking has always amazed me. What animal, even up to and including humans, consciously consider whether they leave tracks or not, and make an effort to avoid leaving tracks? What animals are that self aware that they even realize that they are leaving footprints of their own? I understand some animals taking notice of other animals tracks, or more likely, taking note of the scent left by other animals by their passing, whether by their feet on the ground or brushing against things, or whatever, but being aware of actual prints left in various soil types? Walking confidently in harder soils, then creeping around soft soils, or avoiding them completely because they might record footprints? Why would a sasquatch care more about leaving footprints than but prints, elbow prints, heel prints? It amazes me that people could even think that a sasquatch, (if it existed) an arguably not terribly advanced creature (no clothes, no tools, animalistic noises), would think;

"hmmm, food there. Must not leave footprints. Man see footprints. Man never hurt sasquatch, but man see footprints and know sasquatch here. Must lay on ground. Must roll like James T. Kirk to get food. Mmm, good strategy. (sasquatch does Kirk roll to get fruit) Mmm, apples. Yech, apples bad, spit out all over place. Bad apple taste make sasquatch forget strategy. Sasquatch accidentally leave heel print. Okay to leave heel print. Man not recognize heel print. Man only recognize foot print when flat. Good strategy, man not know me was here..."

For an animal to develop a certain behavior, it generally has a cause, a reason to develop that behavior, right? Why would a sasquatch develop a habit of hiding their footprints, avoid leaving footprints? Leaving footprints would need a direct link to something bad for them, and so far there's nothing on record that could cause a sasquatch to make such an association. Besides, since footprints are the only tangible evidence of their existence, they seem to be failing at hiding them well. They are everywhere.

How people come to the conclusion that sasquatches would think about not leaving prints is amazing to me.
 
I'm looking for the source but I've heard chimpanzee's have been known to cover their tracks, that might be some footer nonsense I picked up and not actual fact but I'll continue to look for the source.

There was also a recent article about gorillas that figured out how to disable snares

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/07/120719-young-gorillas-juvenile-traps-snares-rwanda-science-fossey/

http://http://www.themonkeyfiles.com/2012/03/gorilla-plays-prank-on-zoo-workers/

I'ld say being aware of tracks wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility for a higher primate. Heck my cat looks in my shopping bags when I get home to see if I brought her something. If she finds anything she drags it out of the bag and brings it to me to open for her. Animals can surprise you sometimes.
 
Tontar said:
This sort of thinking has always amazed me. What animal, even up to and including humans, consciously consider whether they leave tracks or not, and make an effort to avoid leaving tracks?
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Long hunters, mountain men, and special forces operating in hostile territory may want to take every effort to prevent leaving tracks.
 
I had to take an unexpected drive to Portland last night, and so I had a few hours to listen to public radio to keep me awake. Learned all about tumors on the way down., and on the way back, an interesting program was playing that definitely kept me awake. Considering that this thread is all about a suspected hoax (can the Elbe tracks really not be real?), I thought that posting a link to the audio play was really, really relevant. There are three parts to it, and I know it's hard to sit and listen to audio plays, but I just downloaded its three parts as MP3 audio files to add to my iPod for mobile listening. On a drive, it's well worth listening to! It's about the Piltdown Man discovery, and the subsequent reveal that it was a hoax. The play presents it in an entertaining way that beats the heck out of reading it as a history lesson.

Host page:
<http://www2.kuow.org/program.php?id=14524>

Individual MP3 files:

<http://latw-radio.s3.amazonaws.com/121103_Fake/Fake_ONE.mp3>

<http://latw-radio.s3.amazonaws.com/121103_Fake/Fake_TWO.mp3>

<http://latw-radio.s3.amazonaws.com/121103_Fake/TUTTLE_Full.mp3>
 
He's saying that if people think to do it, why not sasquatch?

though I would imagine that a squatch wouldn't be that concerned as unless one had been killed, why the fear of discovery? when you are the boss of the forest, you do what you like
 
Jodie said:
I'm looking for the source but I've heard chimpanzee's have been known to cover their tracks, that might be some footer nonsense I picked up and not actual fact but I'll continue to look for the source.

There was also a recent article about gorillas that figured out how to disable snares

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/07/120719-young-gorillas-juvenile-traps-snares-rwanda-science-fossey/

http://http://www.themonkeyfiles.com/2012/03/gorilla-plays-prank-on-zoo-workers/

I'ld say being aware of tracks wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility for a higher primate. Heck my cat looks in my shopping bags when I get home to see if I brought her something. If she finds anything she drags it out of the bag and brings it to me to open for her. Animals can surprise you sometimes.
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Yes, that's why bigfoot tracks are all that's ever found. :D
 
Jodie said:
I'm looking for the source but I've heard chimpanzee's have been known to cover their tracks,
There was also a recent article about gorillas that figured out how to disable snares
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I am sure they can learn and perform tasks from time to time, But as i know your aware we are not talking about once in a while covering tracks, with BF this seems to be an ongoing thing, sure once in a while a single BF might mess up and not cover up it's mess, but for hundreds of years and never a total screw up? Why no beginning point or end point to a cave or home of some sort, they always just start and end.
 
If I still believed in bigfoot, I would think it would have more to do with hiding from other bigfoot than humans. But that's just me anthropomorphizing, I'm sure, based on human behaviors.
 
Jodie said:
If I still believed in bigfoot, I would think it would have more to do with hiding from other bigfoot than humans. But that's just me anthropomorphizing, I'm sure, based on human behaviors.
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I wasn't questioning your belief in BF if that's what you are thinking, just countering on your post ~ chimpanzee's have been known to cover their tracks ~ That has been posted on another forum before, and if i remember with pictures of monkeys sweeping the ground with branches. They might have been using branches to sweep the ground but to cover their tracks ~ ? I think it's just play.
 
Slocie's said:
I wasn't questioning your belief in BF if that's what you are thinking, just countering on your post ~ chimpanzee's have been known to cover their tracks ~ That has been posted on another forum before, and if i remember with pictures of monkeys sweeping the ground with branches. They might have been using branches to sweep the ground but to cover their tracks ~ ? I think it's just play.
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I was being sarcastic, but I do think if the chimps are hunted for meat by humans on a regular basis then it would not surprise me if they learned to do that little trick. They might not realize why they do it, but if they see humans looking at the tracks and taking down a member of their troop then some kind of association could be made. I don't recall seeing the picture of them doing it, just reading it somewhere and assuming it was there. I never found a source for it so it must be hearsay.
 
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