(Ed) Hitler's Atheism

[CWL]

But Hitler as a humanist? We must be defining the term very differently!

Indeed.

This is the statement of the International Humanist and Ethical Union:

"Humanism is a democratic and ethical life stance, which affirms that human beings have the right and responsibility to give meaning and shape to their own lives. It stands for the building of a more humane society through an ethic based on human and other natural values in the spirit of reason and free inquiry through human capabilities. It is not theistic, and it does not accept supernatural views of reality.''

The Amsterdam Declaration adopted in 2002 by the same organization:

Humanism is the outcome of a long tradition of free thought that has inspired many of the world's great thinkers and creative artists and gave rise to science itself.

The fundamentals of modern Humanism are as follows:

1. Humanism is ethical. It affirms the worth, dignity and autonomy of the individual and the right of every human being to the greatest possible freedom compatible with the rights of others. Humanists have a duty of care to all of humanity including future generations. Humanists believe that morality is an intrinsic part of human nature based on understanding and a concern for others, needing no external sanction.

2. Humanism is rational. It seeks to use science creatively, not destructively. Humanists believe that the solutions to the world's problems lie in human thought and action rather than divine intervention. Humanism advocates the application of the methods of science and free inquiry to the problems of human welfare. But Humanists also believe that the application of science and technology must be tempered by human values. Science gives us the means but human values must propose the ends.

3. Humanism supports democracy and human rights. Humanism aims at the fullest possible development of every human being. It holds that democracy and human development are matters of right. The principles of democracy and human rights can be applied to many human relationships and are not restricted to methods of government.

4. Humanism insists that personal liberty must be combined with social responsibility. Humanism ventures to build a world on the idea of the free person responsible to society, and recognises our dependence on and responsibility for the natural world. Humanism is undogmatic, imposing no creed upon its adherents. It is thus committed to education free from indoctrination.

5. Humanism is a response to the widespread demand for an alternative to dogmatic religion. The world's major religions claim to be based on revelations fixed for all time, and many seek to impose their world-views on all of humanity. Humanism recognises that reliable knowledge of the world and ourselves arises through a continuing process. of observation, evaluation and revision.

6. Humanism values artistic creativity and imagination and recognises the transforming power of art. Humanism affirms the importance of literature, music, and the visual and performing arts for personal development and fulfilment.

7. Humanism is a lifestance aiming at the maximum possible fulfilment through the cultivation of ethical and creative living and offers an ethical and rational means of addressing the challenges of our times. Humanism can be a way of life for everyone everywhere.

Our primary task is to make human beings aware in the simplest terms of what Humanism can mean to them and what it commits them to. By utilising free inquiry, the power of science and creative imagination for the furtherance of peace and in the service of compassion, we have confidence that we have the means to solve the problems that confront us all. We call upon all who share this conviction to associate themselves with us in this endeavour.

IHEU Congress 2002.

I take the liberty of saying that the mere insinuation that Hitler would have subscribed to anything remotely like humanisim is utterly and profoundly preposterous. Anyone holding such a bizarre belief clearly has no grasp whatsoever of what humanism is.

 

[headscratcher4]

Indeed.

This is the statement of the International Humanist and Ethical Union:



The Amsterdam Declaration adopted in 2002 by the same organization:


I take the liberty of saying that the mere insinuation that Hitler would have subscribed to anything remotely like humanisim is utterly and profoundly preposterous. Anyone holding such a bizarre belief clearly has no grasp whatsoever of what humanism is.

All of which, of course, gets back to a central point that I've been making and which JK has completely ignored...if Hitler's "god" is metaphorically "man" and his system is, horror upon horror, tainted by Humanist philosophy, why kill Jews, all Jews, and just for being Jews?

Again, as has not been refuted here, if you were, even using terror, creating a completely humanist state, you would accept anyone of any race, religious background, nationality, etc. who renounced their past, their aligences, their families, their connections and embraced the state philosophy...in the case of the Nazi's, Fuher worshop (sp?). In short, if humanists, the Nazi's would have recognized that an apostate Jew was no longer a jew, and that an apostate Jew who embraced Hitler was just as good as a "aryan" german who embraced Hitler. THis is not the case.

Jews were a race apart, scorned of god, and the off-spring of Satan. Letting any Jew live was to hide the side of eventual distruction of the Aryan race...and that is why they all had to be killed, because GOD had made Aryans superior, and it was natural and God's will that Aryans destroy the diseases of Judism which, like a plauge or bacilis, threatened the God given right of Aryans to rule on this world.

P.S. The point above, the one about Hitler equating Marxism, Jews and atheists, is dead right.

 

[Jedi Knight]

All of which, of course, gets back to a central point that I've been making and which JK has completely ignored...if Hitler's "god" is metaphorically "man" and his system is, horror upon horror, tainted by Humanist philosophy, why kill Jews, all Jews, and just for being Jews?

Again, as has not been refuted here, if you were, even using terror, creating a completely humanist state, you would accept anyone of any race, religious background, nationality, etc. who renounced their past, their aligences, their families, their connections and embraced the state philosophy...in the case of the Nazi's, Fuher worshop (sp?). In short, if humanists, the Nazi's would have recognized that an apostate Jew was no longer a jew, and that an apostate Jew who embraced Hitler was just as good as a "aryan" german who embraced Hitler. THis is not the case.

Jews were a race apart, scorned of god, and the off-spring of Satan. Letting any Jew live was to hide the side of eventual distruction of the Aryan race...and that is why they all had to be killed, because GOD had made Aryans superior, and it was natural and God's will that Aryans destroy the diseases of Judism which, like a plauge or bacilis, threatened the God given right of Aryans to rule on this world.

P.S. The point above, the one about Hitler equating Marxism, Jews and atheists, is dead right.

Racial separation is yet another component of Niezche. Since "God is dead" and the Nazi state replaced the omnipotent being with "humans" (atheism worship of their God, humanism), naturally Hitler would select the native German population as the source of the new omnipotence. That is where the new master race came in and in order to teach the populations about the "superman" theory, Hitler selected the Jews as a "lesser" race in order to promote his atheist race--the blonde haired, blue-eyed German.

It is a good thing that Israel has nuclear weapons that can reach Europe now because European humanism is on the rise again (atheism) and Israel is in very grave danger from that as the Europeans prove through their allegiance and loyalty to terrorists and terrorist states that seek to destroy Israel.

I think Israel should keep some nuclear missiles trained on Europe just to feel a bit safer--keep them warmed up in the tubes, so to speak.

JK

 

[thaiboxerken]

It's apparently obvious that JK is a person that should never have political power. I'm so happy that he doesn't.

 

[Jedi Knight]

It's apparently obvious that JK is a person that should never have political power. I'm so happy that he doesn't.

I take it that you will not vote for me when I run for the senate or president?

JK

 

[CWL]

It is a good thing that Israel has nuclear weapons that can reach Europe now because European humanism is on the rise again.

Before you insert your foot even further into your mouth, perhaps you should actually consider learning what "humanism" means.

I post once again (knowing that it will most likely be ignored ) a link to the Amsterdam Declaration adopted in 2002 by the IHEU.

Why do you feel Israel should nuke people striving for science, freedom and democracy?

 

[Jedi Knight]

Before you insert your foot even further into your mouth, perhaps you should actually consider learning what "humanism" means.

I post once again (knowing that it will most likely be ignored ) a link to the Amsterdam Declaration adopted in 2002 bu IHEU.

Why do you feel Israel should nuke people striving for science, freedom and democracy?

Europe is not a democracy. It is a collection of tiny socialist-communist states bent on the destruction of Israel because as atheists and radical Islamist supporters, that is their political nature.

JK

 

[whitefork]

I take it that you will not vote for me when I run for the senate or president?

JK

Let's see. John Kerry's senate seat may be open soon, and you have the same initials....

Name recognition counts for something.

 

[thaiboxerken]

He really is insane.

 

[whitefork]

He really is insane.

That, however, is not a disqualification for holding elective office.

 

[headscratcher4]

May one assume that the reason that we're now going off into whether European countries are "democratic" and whether Israel should use the bomb, is because JK has consistently failed to address the counter arguments that have dramatically undercut his basic proposition: Hitler was an atheist?

Wanting to change the topic to avoid the discussion is understandable given the lack of facts, cites, authority that have been brought to the table, however, there really has been an effort to keep this discussion on topic and civil...very different from many discussions on these boards (not that I don't enjoy mixing it up myself from time to time.). However, JK, if you've run out of amunition, we don't need to keep it going, interesting though it has been....

 

[Jedi Knight]

May one assume that the reason that we're now going off into whether European countries are "democratic" and whether Israel should use the bomb, is because JK has consistently failed to address the counter arguments that have dramatically undercut his basic proposition: Hitler was an atheist?

Wanting to change the topic to avoid the discussion is understandable given the lack of facts, cites, authority that have been brought to the table, however, there really has been an effort to keep this discussion on topic and civil...very different from many discussions on these boards (not that I don't enjoy mixing it up myself from time to time.). However, JK, if you've run out of amunition, we don't need to keep it going, interesting though it has been....

You know I never run out of ammunition, Headscratcher. Your point of view conflicts with the historical facts that I presented that Hitler was an atheist. That should not be construed as me not wanting to participate in the discussion. I am here and haven't gone anywhere.

I will always be here. This is my new home away from home.

JK

 

[headscratcher4]

Alas, with respect to "facts" like the word "atheism" and "Humanism" and "Stalinism" , etc...to paraphrase the line from the Princess Bride: I do not think those words mean what you think they mean....

 

[Tricky]

I take it that you will not vote for me when I run for the senate or president?

JK

If you do, please send me some of your campaign material. I have some for both Lester Maddox and J. B. Stoner

 

[CWL]

Europe is not a democracy. It is a collection of tiny socialist-communist states bent on the destruction of Israel because as atheists and radical Islamist supporters, that is their political nature.

JK

I quote this as a beacon of what ignorance dwells deep within the trailer parks of the United States of America.

Seriously, tell me JK is joking.

 

[Aardvark_DK]

I don't think JK is joking. Not for a second. I think he's simply very far removed from the world that the rest of us inhabits.

 

[headscratcher4]

I note for the record the following quote attributed to Hitler and said to Mussillini in 1944, after Hitler survived the attempted assasination at the Wolf's Lair.

I have been saved, destiny has chosen me, providence has preserved me...

Now, this "providence" he speaks of, and "destiny", that would be the providence of man? The desitny of "humanism"?

Sounds just a little like logical diesm to me...

 

[Renfield]

Europe is not a democracy. It is a collection of tiny socialist-communist states bent on the destruction of Israel because as atheists and radical Islamist supporters, that is their political nature.

JK

JK, you quote Orwell in your sig line. I suggest you actually read some of his stuff and you might learn something. Though I wouldn't count on it.

 

[Girl 6]

How are we doing?

So, I've been monitoring this thread on and off since I came back from TAM. I'm not as active monitoring it as I was, but I can get back into the fold, if necessary.

How do you think we are doing? Do we still have some steam regarding this subject?

G6

 

[CWL]

So, I've been monitoring this thread on and off since I came back from TAM. I'm not as active monitoring it as I was, but I can get back into the fold, if necessary.

How do you think we are doing? Do we still have some steam regarding this subject?

G6

Not really. We are now instead advocating the nuclear bombing of Europe (and its evil Islamofascist Humanists).