Ebola in America

[Monketi Ghost]

She isn't deciding for herself. The CDC decided, and she's going with their recommendation rather than the governer who has no medical training and is simply looking for a way to make it look like he's doing something about the problem.

Oh, my mistake. I hadn't realized she was allowed to go outside.

 

[Unabogie]

Oh, my mistake. I hadn't realized she was allowed to go outside.

Here are the complete CDC Ebola protocols.

For asymptomatic HCP who had an unprotected exposure (i.e. not wearing recommended PPE at the time of patient contact or through direct contact to blood or body fluids) to a patient with Ebola HF

Should receive medical evaluation and follow-up care including fever monitoring twice daily for 21 days after the last known exposure.
Hospitals should consider policies ensuring twice daily contact with exposed personnel to discuss potential symptoms and document fever checks

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/infection-prevention-and-control-recommendations.html

For the record, Hickox's last exposure to anyone with Ebola was about five weeks ago.

 

[Dan O.]

Every nurse I've spoken with in my hospital thinks she's being a narcissist.

None of the nurses you've spoken with would even consider spending their vacation fighting Ebola on the front line in Africa. If we don't stop Ebola over there, it will mutate and come get us over here.

 

[Kestrel]

Here are the complete CDC Ebola protocols.



http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/infection-prevention-and-control-recommendations.html

For the record, Hickox's last exposure to anyone with Ebola was about five weeks ago.

And she would have been wearing wearing protective gear at that time.

 

[Kestrel]

She isn't deciding for herself. The CDC decided, and she's going with their recommendation rather than the governer who has no medical training and is simply looking for a way to make it look like he's doing something about the problem.

The guy who brought us "time for some traffic" is now bringing us Ebola hype.

 

[Ziggurat]

For the record, Hickox's last exposure to anyone with Ebola was about five weeks ago.

Where are you getting that information? I don't think that's correct at all.

And she would have been wearing wearing protective gear at that time.

So were the nurses treating Thomas Duncan. So did Kent Brantly and Craig Spencer.

 

[DavidJames]

Republican hysteria over Ebola is sad. I'm sure if there was a Republican in the White House it would be the same

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I can't help but wonder if they are also sad that no one here as contracted Ebola via casual contact.

 

[Kestrel]

Doctors without Borders has sent 700 medical professionals to fight the Ebola epidemic in Africa. Exactly three have come down with the disease. Given this, the chance that Nurse Hickox has Ebola is roughly one in two hundred. If she does have Ebola, only after she starts showing symptoms do her bodily fluids become a risk to others. As a trained medical professional with direct experience with Ebola, she isn't going to ignore obvious signs of the disease.

Feeling a bit fatigued, but not enough to keep you from jogging three miles isn't exactly and obvious sign that you have Ebola.

 

[Kestrel]

Republican hysteria over Ebola is sad. I'm sure if there was a Republican in the White House it would be the same

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I can't help but wonder if they are also sad that no one here as contracted Ebola via casual contact.

Reality doesn't matter when you are selling fear and hysteria.

 

[catsmate]

Yes, the nurse who's bravely showing all the lesser informed that if she doesn't care about the quarantine, neither should they. As a health care worker she should be aware of the example she's setting. Is a lousy one. Three weeks of inconvenience isn't much to comply with but instead she wants to be in the papers.

You mean by complying with the CDC'd guidelines and requests but refusing to pander to politically motivated stupidity? I think that's an excellent example for people to follow.

They wanted her to live in an unheated tent, in November, even though she's asymptomatic and there's no indication she has Ebola. The CDC has protocols in place and Christie and Cuomo decided to junk those protocols in favor of hysteria and political pandering. Kaci Hickox is an American hero, mainly because she's urging the public to follow the science and not fall prey to this absurd panic.

Well said.

This nurse is setting a horrible example. If every health care worker decides for themselves what rules should be followed, it's trouble. Every nurse I've spoken with in my hospital thinks she's being a narcissist.

No she's not. She's adhering to reasoned, scientifically justified guidelines while exposing the politically motivated stupidity of certain politicians.

 

[Unabogie]

Where are you getting that information? I don't think that's correct at all.



So were the nurses treating Thomas Duncan. So did Kent Brantly and Craig Spencer.

Sorry, I misheard something on an interview. You're correct.

 

[Monketi Ghost]

You mean by complying with the CDC'd guidelines and requests but refusing to pander to politically motivated stupidity? I think that's an excellent example for people to follow.


Well said.


No she's not. She's adhering to reasoned, scientifically justified guidelines while exposing the politically motivated stupidity of certain politicians.

She most certainly has broken quarantine. She's a noncompliant nurse who should know better.
The example she's setting for her future patients:

"You're that Ebola virus nurse, right? Why should I care about following these infection guidelines? I'll decide what's best, you can't push me around. You didn't comply with the government and everything was just fine. I read on the internet that..."

 

[rwguinn]

She most certainly has broken quarantine. She's a noncompliant nurse who should know better.
The example she's setting for her future patients:

"You're that Ebola virus nurse, right? Why should I care about following these infection guidelines? I'll decide what's best, you can't push me around. You didn't comply with the government and everything was just fine. I read on the internet that..."

A quarantine can only be enforced legally when MEDICALLY NECESSARY. The court order for it requires that medical necessity be present.
Allowing politicians to determine necessity is akin to allowing high school history teachers to dictate who passes a graduate-level engineering class.

 

[Monketi Ghost]

A quarantine can only be enforced legally when MEDICALLY NECESSARY. The court order for it requires that medical necessity be present.
Allowing politicians to determine necessity is akin to allowing high school history teachers to dictate who passes a graduate-level engineering class.

There's going to be a showdown because the government overseeing this isn't gonna let "I know better" health care workers decide for themselves that a little inconvenience is too much to bear.
If she were a nurse at my hospital there are a lot of people who'd refuse to work with her and I'm one. She's got to grow the hell up.

 

[crescent]

There's going to be a showdown because the government overseeing this isn't gonna let "I know better" health care workers decide for themselves that a little inconvenience is too much to bear.

She is not deciding for herself - she is following CDC guidelines. She is not making anything up, she is following professional guidelines that were crafted based on scientific input rather than political guidelines which were crafted based on election season fear mongering.

 

[dudalb]

I'd go with the **** nuts who are trying to cash in on the ebola panic.

http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/5-horrifying-ways-people-are-making-money-off-ebola/

As well as the people whose panic takes on a form of not-so-subtle racism.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-reasons-ebola-panic-secretly-racist/

Ouch! I did need to include the hucksters.

You really want to see Contagion;in which one of the main charecters is a despicible con man peddling a phony cure (very well played by Jude Law).

 

[dudalb]

Republican hysteria over Ebola is sad. I'm sure if there was a Republican in the White House it would be the same

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I can't help but wonder if they are also sad that no one here as contracted Ebola via casual contact.

100% correct, but you know damn well it this happened with a Republcan in the White House a lot of Democrats would be doing just a lot of Republicans are doing now.
When it comes to this kind of thing, both parties are about the same:Anything to bash the opposition in an election year.

 

[rwguinn]

There's going to be a showdown because the government overseeing this isn't gonna let "I know better" health care workers decide for themselves that a little inconvenience is too much to bear.
If she were a nurse at my hospital there are a lot of people who'd refuse to work with her and I'm one. She's got to grow the hell up.

Sounds more to.me like the nurses at your hospital have a hell of a lot of growing up to do

 

[Ziggurat]

She is not deciding for herself - she is following CDC guidelines.

No. She is deciding for herself that the CDC guidelines are the only ones that she needs to follow, that she can ignore the decisions of her state government. That is very, very much her own decision. The CDC never told anybody to defy state government quarantine orders.

And it's a very bad precedent to set that she's not merely challenging the quarantine order in court, she's actively defying it. That is very much a precedent that could cause deaths in the future. I wouldn't have much problem with her if she obeyed the quarantine while the legal process unfolded, waiting for a favorable ruling before breaking quarantine, but the fact that she's not doing that really is irresponsible. You justify it on the basis that she's following CDC recommendations, and she knows what she's doing, but do you think everyone who breaks a quarantine order is really going to care about these subtleties?

 

[Monketi Ghost]

Sounds more to.me like the nurses at your hospital have a hell of a lot of growing up to do

Some do but most recognize that she's making things difficult for no good reason, and that the government had to have containment authority. Can you imagine what a hospital would be like if everyone could simply ignore protocols as they see fit and authority be damned?

She's encouraging people to make their own calls because she doesn't want to wait a few weeks. I'm sure her hospital is thrilled with her defiance.