Ebola in America

Dan O. said:
The bottom line is that passenger exposure to whatever was on the plane is being extended.
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Obviously in a scenario like that passengers should be removed from the plane as soon as possible. But it needs to be done safely by properly trained and equipped professionals.
 
I'm wondering who the official was that quarantined the plane in Vagas. I can find no recommendations from CDC's site for quarantining passengers in place. It was probably some local official that got rebuffed when he ordered the nuke strike on the plane before it landed at his airport so he refused to allow the passengers to disembark and nobody else had the balls to overrule him.

BTW, Here is a running tweet commentary from a passenger on that plane: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ebola-british-passenger-tweets-frustration-4419667
 
Damn. That will add another level of hysteria to all this.
 
They didn't talk about how/when the health care worker was actually exposed. Might have been before Duncan was diagnosed, might have been at his first visit when he wasn't diagnosed and admitted.

But still no case from the casual exposure to his roomies or travel companions, who were all exposed earlier than the hospital worker.
 
casebro said:
They didn't talk about how/when the health care worker was actually exposed. Might have been before Duncan was diagnosed, might have been at his first visit when he wasn't diagnosed and admitted.
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They did. During the Q&A, the doctor said it was during the second visit.

The individual was reported to have been wearing full protective gear. How are first world health care workers catching this?

Edit: CNN doctor suggests it may have happened while taking protective gear off ...
 
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shuize said:
They did. During the Q&A, the doctor said it was during the second visit.

The individual was reported to have been wearing full protective gear. How are first world health care workers catching this?

Edit: CNN doctor suggests it may have happened while taking protective gear off ...
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Carelessness and overwork/fatigue. Plus most healthcare staff aren't used to pathogens such as Ebola, which is rather more easily transmitted that HIV/Hep.
 
catsmate1 said:
Carelessness and overwork/fatigue. Plus most healthcare staff aren't used to pathogens such as Ebola, which is rather more easily transmitted that HIV/Hep.
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They don't wear the hazmat suits until the labs come back positive for Ebola virus.

Same reason I'm probably a carrier of MRSA and VRSA.

*after working with patient all day*
"Oh hey, the labs came back positive for MRSA so this patient is in contact isolation now."
 
Ugh. A co-worker was raving about this the other day.
Her: "I can't believe that Obama is trying to get millions of dollars to send more people fight the Ebola virus!"
Me: "Why?"
Her: "Because that means that more people will get sick and come back here!"

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Look, if you're lucky enough to live in a nice, sanitary, first-world country, you should STFU.
 
Now they're looking for the "breach in protocol" that caused a worker in protective gear to become infected. Sweat was all but pouring off Frieden's brow, as he sought to assure the public.

And of course, a large segment of the public is thinking:

Maybe this means NO protocol will really keep anyone safe...
 
From what I've read, the nurse was wearing a gown, gloves, and mask. I saw no mention of goggles or a face shield and certainly no 'moonsuit'. The lack of goggles could account for her infection. If Duncan coughed our sneezed directly on her and she wasn't wearing goggles, she was probably infected with saliva or mucus that got in her eyes in small enough droplets that she didn't even realize it. The most important thing when working directly with an Ebola patient is to wear goggles or a face shield with a mask or respirator to keep their bodily fluids out of your mouth, nose, and eyes and to not touch your face until all gear has been properly removed and you've washed your hands thoroughly.
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
The CNN article says:
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Thanks, I just read that and was coming to correct my error. If she was wearing a face shield, that tends to suggest that she might have touched her face with a contaminated glove, which is a common way that health care workers are being infected.
 
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Beth Israel in Boston has a man recently returned from Liberia in isolation after he went to a clinic with body aches. They say that at this point, his symptoms don't match CDC diagnostic criteria and they believe the likelihood that he's infected are low but he'll be kept in isolation for further monitoring. The clinic has been decontaminated and the ambulance he was transported in will be before it is returned to service.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/10/12/ebola/z3DybKoXBg0XjPO6m5yVgK/story.html
 
Don't be a so-called fluid producer. Go into so-called journalism instead.

I don't want to make light of this Ebola thing, but I can't help being entertained by the way the media is working overtime to whip up the fear. So far we've had one fatality and about 20 breathless reports of people vomiting on airliners.

Some reporter hit pay dirt when he interviewed this guy:

When an Ebola patient enters the latter stages of the disease, as Duncan did, they become so-called fluid producers, Kaufman said.

"Towards of end of the illness, the virus is trying to live and thrive. It's trying to get out of the person's body. It's producing massive amounts of fluid," he said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/13/us-health-ebola-usa-nurse-idUSKCN0I206820141013

Isn't it high time for someone to suggest the virus might mutate and start spreading like the flu? That's what always happens in the movies, right? Isn't there a scientist, or even a country doctor, who will voice this concern?

The irony is that if Ebola really was a threat to more than a tiny handful of unfortunate people, news outlets would take the opposite tack. Then they would say that scientists have everything under control, or soon will. As it stands now, the public is slightly nervous, but mostly fascinated, so they want news coverage that plays up how dangerous Ebola can be. If random people were dropping like flies in a major city, articles that offer reassurance would rake in the clicks.

I think I have lived through too many news cycles. I am jaded. Maybe I need a vacation in sunny Monrovia to shape up my attitude...
 
Charlie Wilkes said:
I don't want to make light of this Ebola thing, but I can't help being entertained by the way the media is working overtime to whip up the fear. So far we've had one fatality and about 20 breathless reports of people vomiting on airliners.

Some reporter hit pay dirt when he interviewed this guy:

When an Ebola patient enters the latter stages of the disease, as Duncan did, they become so-called fluid producers, Kaufman said.

"Towards of end of the illness, the virus is trying to live and thrive. It's trying to get out of the person's body. It's producing massive amounts of fluid," he said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/13/us-health-ebola-usa-nurse-idUSKCN0I206820141013

Isn't it high time for someone to suggest the virus might mutate and start spreading like the flu? That's what always happens in the movies, right? Isn't there a scientist, or even a country doctor, who will voice this concern?

The irony is that if Ebola really was a threat to more than a tiny handful of unfortunate people, news outlets would take the opposite tack. Then they would say that scientists have everything under control, or soon will. As it stands now, the public is slightly nervous, but mostly fascinated, so they want news coverage that plays up how dangerous Ebola can be. If random people were dropping like flies in a major city, articles that offer reassurance would rake in the clicks.

I think I have lived through too many news cycles. I am jaded. Maybe I need a vacation in sunny Monrovia to shape up my attitude...
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Be as cynical as you like but I just read an article that said Ebola could wipe out half the population of the planet!
 
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