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Ear Infection / Head Cold

AH! I was wracking my brain this morning trying to remember that little euphemism. :D Thanks!

-Dr. Imago

Something my stepfather used to say all the time in regards to some inmates. Funny the phrases that stick with us, eh? ;)
 
Put three cloves of garlic on a slice of rye bread and bury it at a crossroads on a night of a full moon. Sprinkle rock salt around your bed every night for a week, then throw the rock salt out the front door. Your ear trouble will end in about 2 weeks after this irrefutable scientific procedure.
 
Are you replying to the right post???????? I said exactly what you said and certainly nothing about coming in for that bed, bath and meal that a few patients try on occasion.

Yes. My apology was after I posted, read that you'd said essentially the same thing I did, and had your post jog me into somewhat of a non sequitir about patients who use the ED as their free Comfort Inn.

And, depending on where you're at, it's more than occassionally that this happens. EMTALA has effectively endorsed this. And, the patients pulling this stunt (saw it a lot in medical school) are really quite adept at acting the part. You know, it's the 11:30 PM "I have crushing chest pain!" with the subsequent EKG, cardiac enzymes, a nice nap, and two passes of the meal cart later when they're signing out AMA, which means "against medical advice" and not the American Medical Association who've done little to advocate for our profession in dealing with such problem patients. Malingerers become quickly well-known, but can usually pull this two or three times before the ED wises up. The real problem is that this steals valuable and crucial resources away from patients who really need it.

Or, my favorite, the "renting" of a medicaid card by uncovereds (i.e., namely illegal immigrants).

So, I see this one patient while pre-rounding on the surgery service (again, in med school) who's got a chart a mile thick. I look through his past medical history, and he's a walking Merck manual. His medication list is a pharmacy.

What's he in for now? Admitted late the previous night for right upper quadrant pain. A quick ultrasound later and we have the diagnosis: cholelithiasis. Scheduled to have his gallbladder out. Problem is, you dig deep enough into the chart and you realize that he already had his gallbladder out in 1992.

Well, I approach said patient and inform him of this, and he tells me, "No, that's a mistake. I never had my gallbladder out before." Being the good-intentioned, trusting medical student that I was at the time, I leave with the chart and notify my senior resident before we start rounds. He agrees that's strange, but we have our recent ultrasound report that shows that he does indeed have a gallbladder and there are indeed stones in it.

So, we start rounding, make our way back around to the room, and PRESTO-CHANGO! The patient has vanished. Chart is referred to administration, and after some fairly quick investigating, it becomes apparent that this patient was one among many engaging in medicare fraud, we have no idea who he was, and I still to this day don't know what happened, if anything, to the actual owner of that card, who if I could venture a guess probably reported that it had been stolen when he was confronted.

Can you begin to understand why it's really hard not to get cynical in this profession?

-Dr. Imago
 
It's free in the UK.

On topic, ear infections are nothing to worry about. I had millions when I was little, often bursting my ear drum. It hurts for a few days and then you're fine in around a week. Take a paracetamol if you really want, but otherwise just ignore it and you'll be fine.

Possibly, but YMMV. Skibum mentioned moderate hearing loss. That is indeed a danger. In fact, if you're congested, but don't have an ear infection, you can still damage your ears by blowing your nose too hard. Hearing loss might be acceptable to some; not to others.

This might be a rather specialized bit of nitpicking, but I'm a classical musician, and I make my living with my ears. For me, even a tiny hearing loss can have quite serious long-term consequences. I'm prone to colds and sinus infections, and I can't even count the number of times I've had to emphasize my concern to medical personnel of all sorts - many seem unaware that some folks want/need to be very careful about their hearing. Luckily, I finally found an extraordinarily good ENT who gets it.

Just my 2 cents.
 
Yes. My apology was after I posted, read that you'd said essentially the same thing I did, and had your post jog me into somewhat of a non sequitir about patients who use the ED as their free Comfort Inn.

And, depending on where you're at, it's more than occassionally that this happens. EMTALA has effectively endorsed this. And, the patients pulling this stunt (saw it a lot in medical school) are really quite adept at acting the part. You know, it's the 11:30 PM "I have crushing chest pain!" with the subsequent EKG, cardiac enzymes, a nice nap, and two passes of the meal cart later when they're signing out AMA, which means "against medical advice" and not the American Medical Association who've done little to advocate for our profession in dealing with such problem patients. Malingerers become quickly well-known, but can usually pull this two or three times before the ED wises up. The real problem is that this steals valuable and crucial resources away from patients who really need it.

Or, my favorite, the "renting" of a medicaid card by uncovereds (i.e., namely illegal immigrants).

So, I see this one patient while pre-rounding on the surgery service (again, in med school) who's got a chart a mile thick. I look through his past medical history, and he's a walking Merck manual. His medication list is a pharmacy.

What's he in for now? Admitted late the previous night for right upper quadrant pain. A quick ultrasound later and we have the diagnosis: cholelithiasis. Scheduled to have his gallbladder out. Problem is, you dig deep enough into the chart and you realize that he already had his gallbladder out in 1992.

Well, I approach said patient and inform him of this, and he tells me, "No, that's a mistake. I never had my gallbladder out before." Being the good-intentioned, trusting medical student that I was at the time, I leave with the chart and notify my senior resident before we start rounds. He agrees that's strange, but we have our recent ultrasound report that shows that he does indeed have a gallbladder and there are indeed stones in it.

So, we start rounding, make our way back around to the room, and PRESTO-CHANGO! The patient has vanished. Chart is referred to administration, and after some fairly quick investigating, it becomes apparent that this patient was one among many engaging in medicare fraud, we have no idea who he was, and I still to this day don't know what happened, if anything, to the actual owner of that card, who if I could venture a guess probably reported that it had been stolen when he was confronted.

Can you begin to understand why it's really hard not to get cynical in this profession?

-Dr. Imago

BRAVO DOCTOR!!!!!! Finally someone who understands the plight of the ED! I have said such similar words, so many times. And people wonder why they wait 5 hours to be seen by the ED staff. It's because so many people use it as their personal doctors office. My favorite is the mother who brings in her baby at 4am on a Saturday night. The baby has had the fever since Monday. YIKES! What are people thinking! It's absurd, and my signature could sum it all up! :clap:
 
What about those of us that don't use it as their personal doctors office and don't try to cheat the system? Are you saying I have to deal with ******** all the time because they've just decided they don't have to be nice anymore, since I'm probably a thief or a liar? Is there a secret number I can call to find the nice people and tell them I'm not?

I don't mind the waiting or the rudeness so much usually, because I understand there's a million things going on in a hospital that I could never comprehend, and I have lots of respect for the people working there. But the system ain't perfect, and some of us are out here getting the run around who never asked to get sick and never went out of their way to ruin some doctor or nurse's day.

That being said, I bet I'm probably the most annoying patient on Earth, so I usually just call it a fair trade and forget about the whole thing.
 
BRAVO DOCTOR!!!!!! Finally someone who understands the plight of the ED! I have said such similar words, so many times. And people wonder why they wait 5 hours to be seen by the ED staff. It's because so many people use it as their personal doctors office. My favorite is the mother who brings in her baby at 4am on a Saturday night. The baby has had the fever since Monday. YIKES! What are people thinking! It's absurd, and my signature could sum it all up! :clap:

One of the reasons after 20 years in EMS and ER Tech work I now work in a Physicians office.



Boo
 
So the guy with the gall stones obstructs and comes in sicker, still no insurance and the system now has a more expensive unpaying patient on its hands.

The problem's are many:
  • welfare fraud is not vigorously prosecuted,
  • unpaying patients can't exactly be left on the hospital steps to die,
  • some people really do work full time and still can't pay for medical insurance while the salaries of the companies' top earners could pay insurance premiums for many of those workers and still provide fair compensation,
  • we kicked all the mentally ill out of institutions under the claim of freeing them but failed to provide adequate community services for them,
  • we verbalize but don't really treat drug and alcoholism as a disease,
  • our foreign aid mostly goes to corrupt leaders and military spending and not to improving the living conditions or economies in 3rd world countries,
  • and many people in this country don't like the idea someone is getting a free ride but at the same time such a position ignores the above problems especially #2, #3, and #4 above so the problems are never addressed with real solutions in mind.

I still have a bit of empathy but then I have changed jobs in my nursing career often enough I have never really burned out at any of them. It doesn't mean I enjoy the patients you guys are describing so I also empathize with your feelings about them. I just don't blame most of them for the position they are in. It's annoying they are not taking responsibility for their health, but then the rest of us aren't addressing the above contributions to the situation either.
 
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Originally Posted by Iamme: "Could Neandrathals see their doctor? What did THEY do?"

Died before age 30, mostly.Died before age 30, mostly.
As did humans (well maybe we made it to 40 more often) who did or didn't see MDs until the last century when medicine actually started to see successes in significant amounts.
 
Oh yeah, and just on a side note, don't ask for peniciline unless you actually have a bacterial infection that your body can't deal with on its own. For the good of all mankind. :) I know I know, we're getting closer to using some of the self destruct mechanisms embedded in most (every?) cells, but let's try to step down the complete abuse of peniciline.
 
(1) The truly sick people in the ER are quickly identified, triaged, and treated according to priority the vast majority of the time.

(2) It takes a long time to go from good to bad, but a short time to go from bad to worse. If a lot of people were educated to this fact, they would go to their primary care provider earlier and concentrate on preventative approaches (e.g., quitting smoking, maintaing their BMI <25, etc.).

(3) It is often stated that the majority of healthcare dollars are spent treating people in the critical care units often in the remaining days before they die. What they don't tell you about are the successes, and how hard it is to collect the money for those expenses regardless of outcome.

(4) Insurance companies are not in the business to lose money.

(5) Pharmaceutical companies charge for their products only what the market will bear.

(6) If you are not a member of a large group with bargaining power, you are going to get financially screwed by the healthcare system.

(7) People who have money and/or better insurance get better care.

(8) The obesity epidemic coupled with the aging baby-boomer population in this country (U.S.) is ultimately going to crash the healthcare system.

(9) Having said all of that, people are living longer than they have at any other time in the history of mankind. In my realm, we are routinely taking older and sicker people to the operating room - and fixing them - than anyone would ever have dreamed of even 15-20 years ago. Just today, I provided an anesthetic for a 96-year-old woman (who'll be 97 in December)... and she came through the procedure with flying colors.

-Dr. Imago
 
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(5) Pharmaceutical companies charge for their products only what the market will bear.
...which can result in the rich getting medicine and the poor getting none.

....
(8) The obesity epidemic coupled with the aging baby-boomer population in this country (U.S.) is ultimately going to crash the healthcare system.
If all the billions spent on worthless remedies were used for evidence based medicine, I believe the health care crisis would be deferred for another hundred years.

....(9) Having said all of that, people are living longer than they have at any other time in the history of mankind. In my realm, we are routinely taking older and sicker people to the operating room - and fixing them - than anyone would ever have dreamed of even 15-20 years ago. Just today, I provided an anesthetic for a 96-year-old woman (who'll be 97 in December)... and she came through the procedure with flying colors.

-Dr. Imago
I recall a woman in her 9th decade with lung cancer who had a spontaneous pneumo (hole in the lung). She would write notes to turn off the vent and let her go. But in a few days she was fine enough to live a few more months (year?) in relatively good shape and we (including her) were all glad the doctor knew it wasn't that serious. I thought differently as the young inexperienced nurse that I was at the time.

Also had a drowning victim who had a flat EEG for 3 days. He woke up on the third day and went home on the forth with almost complete recovery. It's amazing what you learn given enough experience. Always be sure you get advice from someone who has seen a lot when there is any question what needs to be done.


On the other hand, what in the h''' do you suppose they are keeping Sharon alive for? Hospice type care, fine. But the other day they moved him to ICU? They have to be kidding.
 
If it was an ear infection you'd know it. After a few hours it'll make you want to take a shotgun blast to the face. Least that's how I remember mine back when I was having them (many many times as a child/young adult). lol this probably didn't help, hope you feel better!
 
The ear thing took care of itself after a few days. I've had this wicked sore throat for like 2 weeks now, but other than that, everything's comin' up Wheeze.

Except on the medical bill front. They're still bending me over. But at least now I know it's because I'm an uneducated thief and liar.
 
I've found the "Diseases and Conditions" page on they Mayo Clinic's site to be very helpful. It lists symptoms and suggests self-care and when to see a physician.

I haven't visited the site yet, as I have lots of catching up to do on this forum since last weekend. But surely a site like this should be learned of by everyone. It almost should be required. The kids today are so computer literate and they to should be told about such important sites as this. Perhaps a health class should be a required course in school in that they should all be made aware of such sites. This could help shave health care costs in the future.
 
If it was an ear infection you'd know it. After a few hours it'll make you want to take a shotgun blast to the face. Least that's how I remember mine back when I was having them (many many times as a child/young adult). lol this probably didn't help, hope you feel better!

Pain seems worse when you are a kid. In adulthood, after years of hard knocks, bruises, breaks, cavities, frozen limbs, kidney stones, giving birth?, and whatnot...you almost can get used to a certain amount of pain, and better develop a tolerance to the point at least it is not a shock to your system, and you are are less likely to cry.
 
On the other hand, what in the h''' do you suppose they are keeping Sharon alive for? Hospice type care, fine. But the other day they moved him to ICU? They have to be kidding.

Politics and medicine, on so many different levels, make strange bedfellows indeed.

-Dr. Imago
 
My apologies to all of those whose health insurance has saved their lives or paid for badly needed treatment that would have bankrupted them.

I am not against insurance. I am just majorly cheesed off at every insurance scheme I've ever seen. The systems seem to work bassackwards and encourage financial irresponsibility as well as providing lower quality care.

Some kind of system is needed, but there's not a one out there that seems to really work for the patients.

How about a tax funded universal health care system? They do exist, mainly in scandinavia tho. We all pay taxes, compared to US taxes they're high, but we get more than guns for our taxes so it is fine by me.

In return for our taxes, we get universal health care, every single individual in Denmark, for instance, has universal health care. Every visit to the doctor, the hospital, specialists etc, is free. Medicine that is not acutely needed to keep your body in a functional state, is not free. Aspirins, cough medicine etc. comes out of your own pocket.

Now this insures that everybody gets the same treatement, which in turn leads to there being no point for anyone in short changing the patients, since it would piss everyone off.

Technically this is an universal, state run, health insurance. And it works in favor of the patients, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

In the US there is a much too big group of people that get medical help that is comparable to what you would get from doctors without borders in a russian prison camp, if you were a prisoner. Since they are not poor enough to get state sponsored things, and not rich enough to pay for health insurance themselves, and not anywhere NEAR rich enough to "pay per use" since that is extremely expensive. And no, they don't spend money on redecorating their homes, or buying SUV's. Oh, and this is not directed at you specifically MortFurd, spare me the "get a better job" argument.

I can see your gripe with the german system tho, but that has something to do with it being so extremely de-centralized, and the "quotas" on how much money each hospital can spend, more than it has to do with being an universal system, in my oppinion.
 

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