Dylan v. Killtown - "Lies, Lies, Lies!"

My name is, Jonathen Francis Cristopher Hepplewhite-Mullett... Just call me Mark.

Thanx in advance.
 
Nothing is as funny as a kook telling another kook how kooky he is.

Audio gold.
 
T.A.M. said:
will it be MAGZ missile? Will it be back to "The Pod" from version #1? Only time will tell...and $19.99 on PPV.

TAM:)
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How much you wanna bet that even hardcore troofers will feel they've been ripped-off after having payed 20 smackers to view the same old regurgitated nonsense they've been hearing about for the last few years?

Steve S.
 
steve s said:
How much you wanna bet that even hardcore troofers will feel they've been ripped-off after having payed 20 smackers to view the same old regurgitated nonsense they've been hearing about for the last few years?

Steve S.
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I'm sure that the no planers will be pretty pissed off at LC: FC if it is ever released.

"Lies! No planes hit the Twin Towers or the Pentagon!" (I would say crashed in Shanksville as well, but I'm not sure what the LC: FC will have to say about that yet.) :)

I bet $10 that some hardcore truthers will feel they've been ripped off. :)
 
Unfit4Command said:
I'm sure that the no planers will be pretty pissed off at LC: FC if it is ever released.

"Lies! No planes hit the Twin Towers or the Pentagon!" (I would say crashed in Shanksville as well, but I'm not sure what the LC: FC will have to say about that yet.) :)

I bet $10 that some hardcore truthers will feel they've been ripped off. :)
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Well, that'd assume they will not have acquired it through ripping it themselves.

"Whoa, man, I just watched LCFC and they sold out! I'd feel like I wasted my money except I got my copy from Enigma over at JREF! (follow link here for free copy) "
 
I love this image Killtown uses. He's implying that if you DON'T believe in the no plane theories, you're a plane hugger.

Imagine that. No planers are making fun of the rest of us.

So, I guesss I'm a plane hugger. I feel so dirty.

And, are there dues or something I should be paying?


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bje said:
Just wait till you hear Dylan's voice when these 2,000 naked 9/11 Truthers show up.
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Never mind Dylan -- imagine my screaming voice when I wake up someday to discover I'm living in some maple-flavored banana republic, surrounded by 2,000 naked twoofers!! Good God, please destroy the spot in my brain where that image is stored! In the highly unlikely event that the Vermont secession movement ever does succeed up here, rest assured that I'll secede from Vermont and found the great State of Stellafane. So treat me with respect, I might be a US senator someday!
 
I seriously can't fathom how paranoid and dillusional some people will get to be able to carry out a conspiracy theory. This might sound like an ad hom, but I'm being completely serious. The more the facts show their original theory is wrong, the more outlandish their version gets to accomodate it.

It's almost a game trying to imagine what they'll try next. No towers? No victims?
 
Juustin said:
I seriously can't fathom how paranoid and dillusional some people will get to be able to carry out a conspiracy theory. This might sound like an ad hom, but I'm being completely serious. The more the facts show their original theory is wrong, the more outlandish their version gets to accomodate it.

It's almost a game trying to imagine what they'll try next. No towers? No victims?
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The behavior you are taking note of is called cognitive dissonance.
Cognitive Dissonance Theory: Proposed by Festinger, the cognitive dissonance theory asserts that people often have two conflicting or inconsistent cognitions which produce a state of tension or discomfort (also known as "dissonance"). People are then motivated to reduce the dissonance, often in the easiest manner possible. For example, if you are a pacifist, but punched someone, there is inconsistency -- you think you should be passive, but you became angry enough to punch someone -- which would likely produce tension (you would feel discomfort from this - "how could I do this" ..." I don't believe in violence" ...etc.). You may reduce this tension by claiming that you don't believe in violence, EXCEPT in certain circumstances, like this one! In Festinger's classic study of dissonance, people who had engaged in a boring task for along period of time had to tell the next participant who was going to engage in the same task that it was actually a lot of fun (dissonance = telling a lie, but most people do not view themselves as liars). Participants were either paid $1 or $20 for engaging in the boring task. It turned out that people who were paid $1 told the biggest lies - they said the task was great, so much fun, etc...while the people paid $20 said it wasn't so great. Why? How can someone who just did a boring task for along time, and got paid so little for doing it, tell someone else how much fun it was? They change their attitude to actually believe that they DID enjoy the task. The people who received $20 didn't have to justify anything - the task was boring, but you get paid $20, so who cares. There is little or no dissonance in the $20 situation.
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http://www.alleydog.com/glossary/definition.cfm?term=Cognitive%20Dissonance%20Theory

M. Shermer does an excellent job of showing how this ties to beliefs in Why People Believe Weird Things.

ETA: Some twoofers attempt to equate the scientific method's use of revision to cognitive dissonance. The main difference is that revision through scientific methodology remains logically consistent and objective/factually correct; whereas cognitive dissonance fails on one or both of these points.

P.P.S.: Conclusions based upon cognitive dissonance will show post hoc rationalization fallacious reasoning.
 
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Interesting. Why People Believe Weird Things is already on the top of my bookshelf to remind me to start that once I finish what I'm reading now.
 
Juustin said:
Interesting. Why People Believe Weird Things is already on the top of my bookshelf to remind me to start that once I finish what I'm reading now.
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Make sure you have the newest ed, it has an additional chapter: Why Smart People Believe Weird Things.
 
In one of my first encounters with a truther (I think it was Alek), he tried to insult me by saying that I had low cognitive dissonance. :D
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
Make sure you have the newest ed, it has an additional chapter: Why Smart People Believe Weird Things.
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Can I also heartily recommend Quirkology by Richard Wiseman and Irrationality by Stuart Sutherland. They both discuss this research along with reams of others, are both infinitely fascinating and eminently readable.
 
volatile said:
Can I also heartily recommend Quirkology by Richard Wiseman and Irrationality by Stuart Sutherland. They both discuss this research along with reams of others, are both infinitely fascinating and eminently readable.
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*scribbles notes for next trip to B&N*
 
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