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Dylan, and money.

peteweaver

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I emailed Dylan Avery to ask him

"How much money have you made out of your movie ?

Lots?
Lots and lots ?
Lots and lots and lots ? "

His reply "In a word...no.
We spent over $30,000 on the weekend below and didn't ask for a dime from people.
http://stage6.divx.com/content/show/1029060
Care to ask me a legitimate question? How about maybe an introduction of some kind? That way we can converse, ya know, like adults?
-Dylan "

Shoots himself in the foot here. How come he can spend tens of thousands of dollars, if he's not making a profit ?
 
he has a rather large plasma tv in his room (shown in a recent video, cant remmeber where though) so hes obviously pulling in an income from loose change

unless he has a day job
 
We had a thread about it back in September and my
estimation was this one:

Oliver said:
I just heard the Stadtmiller-Show again where "Louder Than Words" and Eric Hufschmid dialed into that show. Now if i understand it the right way, Dylan Avery says: We sold about 75.000 to 100.000 copies of the Loose Change DVD - and they say, they gave 100,000 copies of the DVD away for free - with a price per Spindle-DVD about 50 to 60 cent per DVD???

The Hardcover-DVD´s price in their shop is 17.95 $ each. This would be
17.95 * ~90,000 = 1,615,500 $
http://www.lc911.com/lc911/catalog/

0,60 * 100,000 = 60,000 $ (for giveaways)

1,615,500 $ - 60,000 $ = 1,555,500 $

Did i missunderstand that or what? :eye-poppi

It´s near to the end of this part - when Dylan dialed into the show:
http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Stadt/0607/20060714_Fri_Stadtmiller1.mp3

ETA: And what´s the price to produce 100,000 DVD´s with hardcover???
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64447
 
he has a rather large plasma tv in his room (shown in a recent video, cant remmeber where though) so hes obviously pulling in an income from loose change
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I think it was shown in the tour of the (Branch Dividian-like) compound they have north of NYC on the BBC2 special.

I don't think he has a day job, its corporate America trying to keep him down [/sarcasm]!
 
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Dylan is trapped. If he claims millions of dollars, his supporters will wonder why more hasn't been done. If he admits to high five or low six-figures, people will realize that support for the film is not anywhere near what is assumed.

Dylan Avery said:
We spent over $30,000 on the weekend below and didn't ask for a dime from people.
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Umm, did all of that $30,000 come from suckers buying the DVD or giving donations? He didn't have to ask for anything as the morons had already forked over 30K. If he can afford to spend $30,000 on a weekend, how much is holed up in the piggy bank? Where does the money for his living expenses come from?
 
LTW is, I believe, an LLC. It could be that the money from merchandise sales and so on goes to LTW, who then pays the boys a salary, and also pays for the goodies they have (the production van, plasma TVs and so on).

To be fair, we don't know if they have other sources of income (day jobs, family, Rowe may get National Guard pay, etc.), but I doubt that amounts to much. I also doubt they're making much off LC anymore. It's been out for a while, in its various incarnations. LC:FC will be their last hurrah, then they'll have to go get real jobs and hope that no HR people recognize them.

My estimate is one more year on the gravy train, then Gravy will kick them off and they'll all have to go to work.
 
It must be fun for the kids. Being treated like rock stars and living off of dough from suckers for a couple of years is the dream of lots of young men. They may be angling for a couple of million from LC:FC. This plus 'patriot' radio shows, conventions, and the odd conspiracy video on other subjects may allow them to enjoy never doing real work for the rest of their lives.
 
peteweaver said:
I emailed Dylan Avery to ask him

"How much money have you made out of your movie ?

Lots?
Lots and lots ?
Lots and lots and lots ? "

His reply "In a word...no.
We spent over $30,000 on the weekend below and didn't ask for a dime from people.
http://stage6.divx.com/content/show/1029060
Care to ask me a legitimate question? How about maybe an introduction of some kind? That way we can converse, ya know, like adults?
-Dylan "

Shoots himself in the foot here. How come he can spend tens of thousands of dollars, if he's not making a profit ?
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How about in several words- several words which actually answer the question?

:mgbanghead
 
peteweaver said:
I emailed Dylan Avery to ask him

"How much money have you made out of your movie ?

Lots?
Lots and lots ?
Lots and lots and lots ? "

His reply "In a word...no.
We spent over $30,000 on the weekend below and didn't ask for a dime from people.
http://stage6.divx.com/content/show/1029060
Care to ask me a legitimate question? How about maybe an introduction of some kind? That way we can converse, ya know, like adults?
-Dylan "

Shoots himself in the foot here. How come he can spend tens of thousands of dollars, if he's not making a profit ?
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As far as I am aware by law people have to declare income to the Tax Authorities so if he is making undeclared income then they should be going after him. If he has profited by in excess of $1.5million then why haven't they gone after someone with such a high public profile.

The question is why are you posting this here and not writing to the IRS?

If he is running a legitimate business and not claiming a salary from it then he is not making personal gain. If he is a shareholder and not making any income from the shares then he is not making personal gain.
 
Apparently it's enough money to make the great Jason Bermas to quit his job. And that huge plasma TV? I'm sure the family victims of 9/11 just donated that one to Dylan for his incredible research.
 
Dylan is trapped. If he claims millions of dollars, his supporters will wonder why more hasn't been done.
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If they lived in a world where facts mattered, sure. But couldn't he easily claim that all-Powerful Government making it impossible? That's the nice thing with presuming the government is immensely powerful and can carry out huge operations that no one would ever be aware of while ignoring what would appear to be a follow up of incredible incompetence and sloppiness.
 
slugmancs said:
I think it was shown in the tour of the (Branch Dividian-like) compound they have north of NYC on the BBC2 special.

I don't think he has a day job, its corporate America trying to keep him down [/sarcasm]!
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yeah, it was conspiracy files thanks :)

he had a pretty sweet computer setup in there too...
 
If he believes in some of the other CTs his followers do, he probably is refusing to pay his income tax.

TAM:)
 
just had a thought, its possible he isnt claiming a salary from LTW, but rather spending LTWs money and donating/gifting it to himself to avoid paying personal income taxes (is that possible/legal?)

although LTW would still have to pay taxes i believe
 
I doubt the boys have made a ton of money, or if they have, they've blown through it. They made their recent cross-country trip by car/truck. On the other hand, they clearly did make enough money to hire a secretary, buy a truck and some nice audio/video equipment.

Bermas reportedly quit two jobs when he went full-time with LTW.
 
defaultdotxbe said:
just had a thought, its possible he isnt claiming a salary from LTW, but rather spending LTWs money and donating/gifting it to himself to avoid paying personal income taxes (is that possible/legal?)

although LTW would still have to pay taxes i believe
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LTW may own the equipment. Dylan could then have the use of it. Anything that Dylan gets from LTW (salary, equipment in his own name) is taxable income. LTW could buy the equipment and turn around and sell it to him cheap, though.

If LTW netted $1 million in total off the various LCs (which I think unlikely), the three of them might have grossed $80K/year each, assuming three years from the original LC. After federal and state taxes, maybe they netted $50K/year each.

This could be another reason for the urgency behind getting backing for LC:FC and the intolerance of dissent at the LC forums. The money is running out and they can't afford to lose their backers.
 
Horatius said:
Not telling us != Not telling the IRS
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On the other hand, they did have a former IRS agent on Louder than Words Radio today, telling them that there is no real law that says Americans have to pay income taxes on wages.
 
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peteweaver said:
I emailed Dylan Avery to ask him

"How much money have you made out of your movie ?

Lots?
Lots and lots ?
Lots and lots and lots ? "

His reply "In a word...no.
We spent over $30,000 on the weekend below and didn't ask for a dime from people.
http://stage6.divx.com/content/show/1029060
Care to ask me a legitimate question? How about maybe an introduction of some kind? That way we can converse, ya know, like adults?
-Dylan "

Shoots himself in the foot here. How come he can spend tens of thousands of dollars, if he's not making a profit ?
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Ridiculous!

Dylan and the guys are young idealists. Money is not the issue.

If they had any sense, they should make sure that they get a decent income out of it. They are worth it.
 
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