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Merged Due process in the US

This is the problem. Trump has law enforcement do a great, many things without regard to legality. Democrats cry foul.
If Biden did this, Republicans would cry foul..........and so would Democrats. This is the difference between parties.
 
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I'd actually like to know more details.

This was a hearing in immigration court. Presumably, immigration court is there to consider immigration cases and make judgements as to the disposition of the defendant. ICE should be bound by the decisions of the immigration court. What determination, if any, did the court make?

If the court decided he should be deported, then ICE should detain and deport him.

If the court decided he should not be deported, then ICE should not have arrested him.

If the court had not reached a verdict, meaning the case is still in process and under consideration, ICE should not have arrested him.

If the latter two are the case, then what ICE was doing seems like it should be illegal. Is it illegal to interfere with law enforcement doing illegal things?
If the first scenario is true, then the comptroller did, in fact commit a crime and was subject to arrest.

Overall, however, I find the idea of using immigration courts as flypaper problematic.
 
They just don't give a ◊◊◊◊.

US immigration raids continued to target southern California communities in recent days, including at a popular flea market and in a Los Angeles suburb where US citizens were detained.

On Saturday, as mass protests swept the nation, including tens of thousands demonstrating in LA, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) agents descended on a swap meet in Santa Fe Springs in southeast LA county. Video showed dozens of heavily armed, masked officers carrying out the raid before a scheduled concert at the long-running event that features vendors, food and entertainment every weekend


Witnesses told the Los Angeles Times that agents appeared to be going after people who “looked Hispanic in any way”, sparking widespread fear. Also over the weekend, video emerged of immigration actions in Montebello, a suburb east of the city of LA. Last Thursday, armed border patrol agents, who drove in an unmarked car, ended up detaining Jason Brian Gavidia and pressing him against a fence by an auto body shop he runs, the New York Times reported.
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An agent interrogated Gavidia, a US citizen, asking, “What hospital were you born at?” Gavidia, 29, was born down the street, and video shows agents twisting his arm, as he said, “I’m American! … I’ll show you my ID. I was born here.” A witness filming the encounter is heard saying: “Literally based off skin color.”
Gavidia was released, but Javier Ramirez, another US citizen who is Gadivia’s friend and coworker, was detained by two agents, forced facedown on the ground and taken to federal detention, where he has remained in custody, the New York Times reported.

Salvador Melendez, the mayor of Montebello, a city that is 79% Latino, told the Guardian on Monday that the videos and reports of Ice in his community had caused widespread anxiety.

“This is racial profiling. They’re stopping folks because of the way they look,” said Melendez. “Ice agents are terrorizing our community. They are taking actions and asking questions later. There is absolutely no due process.”
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thaiboxerken said:
This is the problem. Trump has law enforcement do a great, many things without regard to legality. Democrats cry foul.
If Biden did this, Republicans would cry foul..........and so would Democrats. This is the difference between parties.
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Reminds me of a simple observation. For all the complaints that can be made about the Democratic Party, aiding and abetting rampant corruption and lawlessness among their ranks is not one of them. The same cannot be said of the Republican Party.

TomB said:
Overall, however, I find the idea of using immigration courts as flypaper problematic.
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About the kindest one can reasonably be about that idea is calling it lazy and short-sighted. It undermines the courts and the legal system more broadly. If you want to make things worse, this is the kind of thing you do. Unfortunately, Republican strategy too often is all about making things worse for America and creating problems that they then seek to exploit for some advantage.
 
Aridas said:
Reminds me of a simple observation. For all the complaints that can be made about the Democratic Party, aiding and abetting rampant corruption and lawlessness among their ranks is not one of them. The same cannot be said of the Republican Party.


About the kindest one can reasonably be about that idea is calling it lazy and short-sighted. It undermines the courts and the legal system more broadly. If you want to make things worse, this is the kind of thing you do. Unfortunately, Republican strategy too often is all about making things worse for America and creating problems that they then seek to exploit for some advantage.
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Exactly. They create a problem and then claim that only they can solve that problem. Republicans are the reason government programs don't work well. In this instance, they want to create an immigration problem so big that it motivates the racist base to desire the creation concentration camps and or deporting people do their deaths.
 
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I'm legitimately shocked it hasn't happened yet.
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Especially since you don't know if the masked people are really ICE things or, say, human traffickers.

Then again, of course, even if they are ICE that still could mean a lifetime stay at a Black Site, so what's the difference in the first place.
 
TomB said:
I'd actually like to know more details.

This was a hearing in immigration court. Presumably, immigration court is there to consider immigration cases and make judgements as to the disposition of the defendant. ICE should be bound by the decisions of the immigration court. What determination, if any, did the court make?

If the court decided he should be deported, then ICE should detain and deport him.

If the court decided he should not be deported, then ICE should not have arrested him.

If the court had not reached a verdict, meaning the case is still in process and under consideration, ICE should not have arrested him.

If the latter two are the case, then what ICE was doing seems like it should be illegal. Is it illegal to interfere with law enforcement doing illegal things?
If the first scenario is true, then the comptroller did, in fact commit a crime and was subject to arrest.

Overall, however, I find the idea of using immigration courts as flypaper problematic.
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DO ICE have the authority to arrest a citizen?

Where was their warrant?
 
Andy_Ross said:
DO ICE have the authority to arrest a citizen?

Where was their warrant?
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They probably have the authority to arrest anyone if there is Probable Cause that they have committed a crime. In this case the crime is obstruction of government administration.

Plus he's another Northeast schmuck running for office who got involved in an immigration incident so as to increase his poll numbers.

Sigh.
 
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Hercules56 said:
They probably have the authority to arrest anyone if there is Probable Cause that they have committed a crime. In this case the crime is obstruction of government administration.

Plus he's another Northeast schmuck running for office who got involved in an immigration incident so as to increase his poll numbers.

Sigh.
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Your MAGA is showing. How embarrassing for you.
 
i feel like that probably should be more of a maybe. being that immigration is more of a civil matter than criminal one, i’m not so sure they need to arrest anyone. especially people here legally. perhaps they can refer criminals over to agencies with that authority and they can stick to enforcing immigration laws
 
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