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Merged Due process in the US

sackett said:
@herc: Garcia is bad news? What does that phrase mean to you?
I ask because I heard it used admiringly, back in my mudsill youth.
But I assume that you mean it to imply criminality, with a high degree of certainty, almost equivalent to conviction in a court of law.
Equivalent enough to satisfy the Klan? Yeah, hell, why not.
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The very same administration that believes any tattoo is rock-solid evidence of gang affiliation ~~~somehow~~~ managed to convince him that Garcia is guilty.
 
TragicMonkey said:
How can his guilt or innocence be relevant to whether he receives due process or not, then?
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He is back in the USA for trial. He will get a lawyer, a trial with a judge and jury of his peers. He will be able to appeal a guilty verdict. Sounds like Due Process.
 
Hercules56 said:
He is back in the USA for trial. He will get a lawyer, a trial with a judge and jury of his peers. He will be able to appeal a guilty verdict. Sounds like Due Process.
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....Doesn't actually answer my question, which was an attempt to clarify a remark of yours. But I was assuming your posts were related to each other, which I now realize may not be the case.
 
TragicMonkey said:
How can his guilt or innocence be relevant to whether he receives due process or not, then?
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You are only guilty if you have been indicted, went to trial, faced a judge and jury, was able to review the evidence against you, call witnesses, cross-examine prosecution witnesses. That's Due Process.
 
Perhaps a reminder of what was posted is needed.

Hercules56 said:
abcnews.go.com

Kilmar Abrego Garcia brought back to US, appears in court on charges of smuggling migrants

Kilmar Abrego Garcia appeared in a Tennessee courtroom Friday, hours after he was brought back to the U.S. to face charges of transporting undocumented migrants.
abcnews.go.com abcnews.go.com

Huh. The poster boy for the fight for Due Process Rights. Held up as a hero, an innocent "Maryland Man", a loving father, loving husband.

Will be brought back to the USA to face charges of human smuggling.

I knew this guy was bad news. I knew making him the hero would come back to haunt us.

I knew it.

Luckily the fight for Due Process for all persons in the USA has moved passed this wife-beating, gang-banger associating loser.

The alleged conspiracy spanned nearly a decade and involved the domestic transport of thousands of noncitizens from Mexico and Central America, including some children, in exchange for thousands of dollars, according to the indictment. Abrego-Garica is alleged to have participated in more than 100 such trips, according to the indictment. Among those allegedly transported were members of the Salvadoran gang MS-13, sources familiar with the investigation said.
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Mojo said:
Perhaps a reminder of what was posted is needed.
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I am assuming that he will be found guilty. But I may be wrong. He may be innocent of all charges, but I wont bet on it.

However, we KNOW that he associates with MS-13 members. That is not in doubt.
 
Hercules56 said:
Socially.

Garcia was hanging out with MS-13 members at a Home Depot. They were not strangers to him.
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Was he ? The BBC reports merely that he, and they, were picked up for loitering outside Home Depot. It doesn't comment on whether they had relationship, or the nature of that relationship if there was one.

It's been reported here that they were all looking for work.

www.theguardian.com

White House uses newly revealed allegations to support refusal to return Kilmar Ábrego García to US

Wife of man unlawfully sent to El Salvador filed protection petition in 2020 after domestic violence allegations
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
The Don said:
Was he ? The BBC reports merely that he, and they, were picked up for loitering outside Home Depot. It doesn't comment on whether they had relationship, or the nature of that relationship if there was one.

It's been reported here that they were all looking for work.

www.theguardian.com

White House uses newly revealed allegations to support refusal to return Kilmar Ábrego García to US

Wife of man unlawfully sent to El Salvador filed protection petition in 2020 after domestic violence allegations
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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They all knew each other.
 
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