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Merged Due process in the US

Hercules56 said:
Officials under Trump can be held in contempt of court and put in jail and fined, if held in contempt.
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Who will enforce any criminal penalty? Enforcement of federal court orders is the role of the U.S. Marshalls, who are controlled by the executive. What if the President simply orders the Marshalls not to enforce any order against anyone in his administration? What if the President simply pardons anyone held in criminal contempt for acting under his corrupt direction? What if the President threatens to arrest and detain any judge that upholds a conviction against any of his officers? The people currently carrying out these atrocities certainly show no sign of being cowed by prospective legal liability.
 
JayUtah said:
Who will enforce any criminal penalty? Enforcement of federal court orders is the role of the U.S. Marshalls, who are controlled by the executive. What if the President simply orders the Marshalls not to enforce any order against anyone in his administration? What if the President simply pardons anyone held in criminal contempt for acting under his corrupt direction? What if the President threatens to arrest and detain any judge that upholds a conviction against any of his officers? The people currently carrying out these atrocities certainly show no sign of being cowed by prospective legal liability.
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As you stated 2 weeks ago, POTUS may not be able to pardon someone found in contempt of court.
 
JayUtah said:
Who will enforce any criminal penalty? Enforcement of federal court orders is the role of the U.S. Marshalls, who are controlled by the executive. What if the President simply orders the Marshalls not to enforce any order against anyone in his administration? What if the President simply pardons anyone held in criminal contempt for acting under his corrupt direction? What if the President threatens to arrest and detain any judge that upholds a conviction against any of his officers? The people currently carrying out these atrocities certainly show no sign of being cowed by prospective legal liability.
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To which department do the Marshalls report?
 
JayUtah said:
Who will enforce any criminal penalty? Enforcement of federal court orders is the role of the U.S. Marshalls, who are controlled by the executive. What if the President simply orders the Marshalls not to enforce any order against anyone in his administration? What if the President simply pardons anyone held in criminal contempt for acting under his corrupt direction? What if the President threatens to arrest and detain any judge that upholds a conviction against any of his officers? The people currently carrying out these atrocities certainly show no sign of being cowed by prospective legal liability.
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Pluss America will never hold people accountable for following illegal orders from the president. We saw that clearly with the Bush Torture programs, and should expect no difference here.
 
JayUtah said:
That was a very long shot. In any case, what if the President simply orders the Marshalls not to enforce any finding of contempt?
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Then our only recourse is a new Federal law giving the courts enforcement powers seperate from the executive branch. Or impeachment.
 
Hercules56 said:
Then our only recourse is a new Federal law giving the courts enforcement powers seperate from the executive branch. Or impeachment.
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And again, it's well and good to propose a better world in which things might be better. What do you suggest we do in the real world, when all the formalisms you seem to have so much faith in are being systematically ignored?
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Department of Justwatchus.
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In cases where federal marshals fail to act to enforce court orders (or contempt of court findings), courts can turn to state and local law enforcement agencies.

Federal judges have the authority to deputize state law enforcement officers to carry out federal court orders, particularly in cases of contempt or defiance by federal officials. State attorneys general, governors, and local sheriffs can be called upon to enforce judicial rulings.

The use of state law enforcement to enforce federal court orders has happened before. In high-profile cases involving civil rights enforcement and desegregation orders, federal courts have relied on state and local law enforcement—sometimes even deploying the National Guard.

Legal Remedies when the Trump Administration Ignores Federal Court Orders – AZ Public Health Association

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If a Federal judge orders ICE to remove certain illegals from detention, and ICE refuses, judge can hold ICE in contempt and order the Federal Marshalls to enforce his court order.

If the Federal Marshalls are ordered by the DOJ to not comply, judge can then deputize State officers to enforce his order.

And then we have have civil war. :)
 
Hercules56 said:
If a Federal judge orders ICE to remove certain illegals from detention, and ICE refuses, judge can hold ICE in contempt and order the Federal Marshalls to enforce his court order.

If the Federal Marshalls are ordered by the DOJ to not comply, judge can then
deputize State officers to enforce his order.
And then we have have civil war. :)
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And when they refuse?

Cops tend to be a bit on the conservative side.

You know whose DoJ ◊◊◊◊◊◊ up? Merrick Garland's. Now we have this idiot again.
 
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