• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

Merged Due process in the US

plague311 said:
There was no way for him to defy those though, right? None of those were under the Executive branch. They were either state, or the agency(ies) that enforced the laws weren't under his control. Here he just seems to not listen, I mean we're seeing it in real time. He's actively ignoring the SCOTUS and you're here telling us to ignore our own lying eyes because This Time™ he'll be presidential and listen, right?

I mean, he couldn't force himself to stay in the White House. Ignoring it wouldn't work. He can't force states to do anything with election law. He can't force Maryland and Delaware to do whatever he wanted with assault weapons. He can't force hospitals to refuse to do abortions, etc. In immigration cases he can just tell ICE to do it and they, apparently, will without hesitation.

You're wrong.
Click to expand...
No, he can order the ATF to simply not abide by the Supreme Court and arrest people who possess bump stocks. He can also order the ATF to allow gun sales to people who had a restraining order. He can also threaten to withhold federal funds from hospitals that perform emergency abortions if abortion is banned in that state.

So I am not wrong.
 
Hercules56 said:
No, he can order the ATF to simply not abide by the Supreme Court and arrest people who possess bump stocks. He can also order the ATF to allow gun sales to people who had a restraining order. He can also threaten to withhold federal funds from hospitals that perform emergency abortions if abortion is banned in that state.

So I am not wrong.
Click to expand...

Those are tools to enable his policy through his executive power. He isn't just ignoring a SCOTUS decision. I don't know why you're so stuck on this but I'm not going to further derail the thread. This has nothing to do with the topic at all.
 
plague311 said:
Those are tools to enable his policy through his executive power. He isn't just ignoring a SCOTUS decision. I don't know why you're so stuck on this but I'm not going to further derail the thread. This has nothing to do with the topic at all.
Click to expand...
If he wanted to ignore the SCOTUS decisions he could very easily order the ATF and HHS to do just that. But he did not.
 
JayUtah said:
The government claims it has "confirmed" that Prada is a member of Tren de Aragua, and on that basis has renditioned him to El Salvador. But if that "confirmation" had been the result of due process, there would be a record of the evidence produced, the details of when and how Prada was able to challenge that determination, and the identity of the person who made it. None of that is forthcoming. The government simply assumes all immigrants from Venezuela are an invading army of terrorists and it can do with them what it pleases. Prada was in the country legally as a parolee. It would have been one thing to simply deny him reentry to the United States, as the government may do with any person who presents himself for entry without proper documentation. But to accept him back in only to arrest and rendition him without due process associated with his lawfully granted and legally binding parole is simply cruel and unconstitutional.
Click to expand...
What is this constitution of which you speak?
 
JayUtah said:
I'm pleased to report that this person's visa has been restored. He is no longer in danger of being deported. This is why we require due process.
Click to expand...
I think there is no evidence for this. Green card or naturalisation, still there is a risk of deportation. Even if US born there may be a risk of deportation if Trump gets his way.
 
The Don said:
Vance on Garcia radical judges versus "the will of the American People"

The number of illegal immigrants seems to increase every time they mention it. At this rate, it's only a matter of time before more than 100% of the US population are illegal.
Click to expand...
100% of the minority population certainly will be. From black people to trans kids. Hard times ahead.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
100% of the minority population certainly will be. From black people to trans kids. Hard times ahead.
Click to expand...
Well, Sebastian Gorka, Senior Director of Counterterrorism, thinks that critics of Trump's foreign and deportation policies could be prosecuted for aiding and abetting criminals.

So we have that to look forward to.
 
Hercules56 said:
Yes, the deportation was in error. And in violation of the Alien & Sedition Act. Trump was ordered to cease the deportations and he violated the order.
Click to expand...

Hercules56 said:
I seem to remember our side demanding that a certain someone accept 40 odd federal court decisions that he did not like, in the name of democracy and the US Constitution. Are we now fair-weather supporters of the judicial system?
Click to expand...

The Ranting Rapist Regime is going after judges....
www.theguardian.com

US revokes policy restricting subpoenas of reporters’ phone records – as it happened

Pam Bondi, US attorney general, says conduct of federal employees who leak information to media is ‘treasonous’. This blog is now closed.
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
Grow up
 
catsmate said:
The Ranting Rapist Regime is going after judges....
www.theguardian.com

US revokes policy restricting subpoenas of reporters’ phone records – as it happened

Pam Bondi, US attorney general, says conduct of federal employees who leak information to media is ‘treasonous’. This blog is now closed.
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
Grow up
Click to expand...
If they get away with this one, expect more of it, much more. Every judge that rules against the corrupt Trump regime on immigration will be vulnerable.
 
Resume said:
Well, Sebastian Gorka, Senior Director of Counterterrorism, thinks that critics of Trump's foreign and deportation policies could be prosecuted for aiding and abetting criminals.
Click to expand...
He tried to walk that back, but no one really believes he won't try it. He maintains that politically-motivated crimes against property should still qualify as domestic terrorism. He specifically called out vandalism of Tesla cars and dealerships. Let's hope he has the same hard-nosed approach to people who vandalize Pride flags and who target disfavored minorities for political purposes.
 
catsmate said:
The Ranting Rapist Regime is going after judges....
www.theguardian.com

US revokes policy restricting subpoenas of reporters’ phone records – as it happened

Pam Bondi, US attorney general, says conduct of federal employees who leak information to media is ‘treasonous’. This blog is now closed.
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
Click to expand...
It looks an awful lot like the tyrannical government the gun-huggers said they needed their precious amendment to protect the nation against. Sadly they voted for the tyranny, so when the day came there was nobody to save the nation after all.
 
JayUtah said:
He tried to walk that back, but no one really believes he won't try it. He maintains that politically-motivated crimes against property should still qualify as domestic terrorism. He specifically called out vandalism of Tesla cars and dealerships. Let's hope he has the same hard-nosed approach to people who vandalize Pride flags and who target disfavored minorities for political purposes.
Click to expand...
They're trial-ballooning arresting judges now, so . . . yeah.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom