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Merged Due process in the US

Anyone in the USA who believes they are being deported in error and have the legal right to be here, has the right to Due Process. Yeah its hard for 20 million people, but no one said democracy was easy.
 
Hercules56 said:
Anyone in the USA who believes they are being deported in error and have the legal right to be here, has the right to Due Process. Yeah its hard for 20 million people, but no one said democracy was easy.
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Ok there. I agree with this. I find it difficult to reconcile the above statement with some of your other statements about more specific instances where that opportunity was conspicuously absent. If this is your actual viewpoint I consider it a good one, as long as there isn't a qualifying "but...." to go along with it.
 
bruto said:
Ok there. I agree with this. I find it difficult to reconcile the above statement with some of your other statements about more specific instances where that opportunity was conspicuously absent. If this is your actual viewpoint I consider it a good one, as long as there isn't a qualifying "but...." to go along with it.
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Well considering Due Process is a generic term for any legal avenues of appeal that that they may have a right to based on their particular circumstances, I see no reason not to use the term. Clearly a citizen has a lot more Due Process than someone who literally just climbed a border fence as Border Patrol agents watched while drinking a beer.
 
Hercules56 said:
Well considering Due Process is a generic term for any legal avenues of appeal that that they may have a right to based on their particular circumstances, I see no reason not to use the term.
Clearly a citizen has a lot more Due Process than someone who literally just climbed a border fence as Border Patrol agents watched while drinking a beer.
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Not to most of us - most of us believe that everyone should be subject to due process.
 
Hercules56 said:
Well considering Due Process is a generic term for any legal avenues of appeal that that they may have a right to based on their particular circumstances, I see no reason not to use the term. Clearly a citizen has a lot more Due Process than someone who literally just climbed a border fence as Border Patrol agents watched while drinking a beer.
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Nope they have the same due process rights, the citizen has certain functions that being a citizen gets them out of but they could still be called into court to prove their citizenship status.
 
Hercules56 said:
Well considering Due Process is a generic term for any legal avenues of appeal that that they may have a right to based on their particular circumstances, I see no reason not to use the term. Clearly a citizen has a lot more Due Process than someone who literally just climbed a border fence as Border Patrol agents watched while drinking a beer.
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No. That’s not how a constitutional right works.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Don't expect any Due Process

JD says "What process is due is a function of "our resources"
and to ask the people weeping over the lack of due process what precisely they propose for dealing with Biden's millions and millions of illegals?
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Soooo much wrong there, beginning with the claim that "20 million illegal aliens [were allowed by Biden] into our country"- that seems like a gross exaggeration (that will no doubt be repeated as gospel by MAGAts). But the part that I really take issue with is this-

To say the administration must observe "due process" is to beg the question: what process is due is a function of our resources, the public interest, the status of the accused, the proposed punishment, and so many other factors. To put it in concrete terms, imposing the death penalty on an American citizen requires more legal process than deporting an illegal alien to their country of origin.
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"Due process is inconvenient!" Well, yeah- it's kind of its point that it should be hard to imprison or deport people without giving them a chance to show that they shouldn't be subjected to those things. In fact, you could say that the purpose of due process is to not allow you to actually beg the question of whether these individuals are indeed members of MS13 or murderers in the first place. To just claim things that suit your party's political agenda is easy and cheap- that "fake legal process" is in place to make you back those claims with evidence.
 
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Hercules56 said:
Anyone in the USA who believes they are being deported in error and have the legal right to be here, has the right to Due Process. Yeah its hard for 20 million people, but no one said democracy was easy.
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How does that help you if you're already on a plane to El Salvadore and the administration says that they CBA to turn the plane back, and anyway it's out of their hands?
 
Resume said:
There's a young lady who lives with her parents a couple blocks from me. I don't know the family's immigration status but the young lady hangs a Palestinian flag from her bedroom window and her car windows are covered with slogans like Free Gaza and ◊◊◊◊ Netanyahu. I fear she will be renditioned one day.
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Is she here illegally?
 
Its not accurate that a fence jumper who was watched by Border Patrol has the same level and avenues of Due Process as someone who's ancestors came on the Mayflower.

Obviously the natural born citizen has a ton more Due Process avenues.
 
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Hercules56 said:
Its not accurate that a fence jumper who was watched by Border Patrol has the same level and avenues of Due Process as someone who's ancestors came on the Mayflower.

Obviously the natural born citizen has a ton more Due Process avenues.
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You don't seem to know the difference between "due process" and "rights".
 
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