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Merged Due process in the US

Hercules56 said:
Like I said before, if we are going to deport students or tourists or workers for voicing support for a group listed as a terrorist or enemy state we have declared war with, the policy cannot be enforced retroactively and all visa recipients must be given documentation making them aware of this policy before they come here.
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And who controls the list? The president? What's stopping him from declaring Ukraine an enemy state? Wouldn't such a declaration then bar all visitors from supporting their defense against Russia?

And why does it have to be nation states? Let's make it organizations, too. Now the administration can declare that Planned Parenthood is terrorists. Oh, what about political parties? The Democratic Party is a terrorist group, so green card holders better not say anything nice about them. But let's go even further: Let's get religion in on this. Now if you show anything but unwavering faith to evangelical Christianity, that's basically support for terrorism.

On second thought, I like the first amendment the way it is right now. Better not change it.
 
Hercules56 said:
No, if you are accused of being an Illegal Alien, you should be able to easily prove you are not, by showing your passport or travel/education/work Visa.
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So, I have to prove I am not committing a crime?
Hercules56 said:
ICE will of course have a copy of all such documents, so proving you are here legally should be relatively simple.
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So? You want them to prove you are not committing the crime they accuse you of?
 
Donal said:
No. If the state levels an accusation against me, the burden is on the state to prove my guilt.
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Theoretically, yes. But that's not how it works. "Where were you on 1st. of April, 2025 at 6 PM? Do you have an alibi? Answer the question!"
 
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Clutch Cargo said:
Allow me to give you a hint. Anything "illegal" is a crime.
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Actually, no. Being in the USA illegally, such as overstaying a tourist visa, is not a crime. You cannot go to jail or be charged a fine for such act.

There is no criminal code listing "illegal presence in the USA".
 
Hercules56 said:
Actually, no. Being in the USA illegally, such as overstaying a tourist visa, is not a crime. You cannot go to jail or be charged a fine for such act.

There is no criminal code listing "illegal presence in the USA".
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No, you are wrong. What isn't legal is illegal. Anything you've done illegally is a crime. The punishment that you are so fucused on is a different matter and has nothing to do with it. If you are in the country illegally that is a crime. If you are caught you may be punihsed in several ways.
 
Overstaying a visa is an administration violation. Illegal entry is a misdemeanor. Renditioning either to a Salvadoran slave prison is ◊◊◊◊◊◊ up.
 
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Hercules56 said:
Actually, no. Being in the USA illegally, such as overstaying a tourist visa, is not a crime. You cannot go to jail or be charged a fine for such act.

There is no criminal code listing "illegal presence in the USA".
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I wonder if anyone actually finds this reasoning compelling? Ok, its not a crime, it is still illegal and there is a penalty for it. Namely being deported and barred from re-entry for a period of time. Saying its not a crime is a distinction without difference.

ETA: That being said, deporting without some process to determine if you are actually here illegally is ◊◊◊◊◊◊ up and sending someone to a prison in a third country without even a trial is even more ◊◊◊◊◊◊ up.

Heard an interview with John Bolton, if JB is more concerned about human rights and due process than you, you've got a problem, especially if you are the POTUS. Actually, we've got a huge problem not the POTUS.....
 
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Clutch Cargo said:
No, you are wrong. What isn't legal is illegal. Anything you've done illegally is a crime. The punishment that you are so fucused on is a different matter and has nothing to do with it. If you are in the country illegally that is a crime. If you are caught you may be punihsed in several ways.
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Every crime in the USA is associated with a federal, state or local criminal statute.

Kindly show us the criminal statute associated with being in the USA illegally.

And no, deportation is not a criminal punishment. Nor is being restricted from reentering the USA. Nobody has an assumed right to come to the USA. Its a privilege that can be regulated.
 
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