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Merged Due process in the US

Sure, the next president can disappear Drumpf, 'forget' where he sent him, and decide it's be impossible to get him back.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
The only people who abuse the asylum system are the politicians who use asylum seekers as scapegoats and thetrwfficking gangs the scapegoating allows room to exist in.
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Come on america hates the though of letting in refugees, we are the country that sent jews back to Hitler in 1939 and nothing has changed. We need to teach how the SS Saint Louis was a proud moment in American history.
 
Hercules56 said:
If his life was in SUCH danger, why did he wait till after he was busted for illegally working in the USA, almost a decade after coming here illegally, to FINALLY seek asylum?

Something doesn't add up.

Either he was in danger and simply can't get his ◊◊◊◊ together to apply for asylum, or he was NEVER in real danger but simply decided to make it up after he was busted, to avoid getting kicked out of the USA and sent home.

Even if he was in real danger, and simply couldn't get his ◊◊◊◊ together to finally seek asylum, he still came here illegally and still worked here illegally for years. Did he pay income tax? Or was he completely cash under the table?

This all matters to me as if we should make any special extra to bring him back from his homeland, or just ask nicely and give up if they say "nope".
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All of that could have been presented, evaluated, and considered had the man been given due process.
Hercules56 said:
If he did pay taxes, was a safe and good member of the community, then yeah let's make a special effort to try to bring him back. Good people who try their best deserve such treatment.
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Somehow, you're not seeing he is not the issue.

I'm in my kitchen, carrying a heaping hot platter of pasta, meatballs, and sauce when I suddenly lose my grip. The dish crashes to the floor, splattering the food all over, walls included, the pieces of china obliterated as well. The issue is not whether the food was comprised of the finest ingredients, carefully and lovingly prepared over hours, or if I just opened a couple cans of Chef Boyardee. The issue is not the food, it's the mess I made.
 
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Tero said:
man with hat:

Fox News presents evidence man was a gang member: he had tattoos and wears his hat backwards.
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And we know how incredible reliable the information that links tattoos to gang membership is:

www.bbc.co.uk

British man's tattoo wrongly linked to Venezuelan gang in US government document

A tattoo belonging to a man from Derbyshire has appeared in a US government document used to identify members of Tren de Aragua, a notorious Venezuelan gang, despite the man having no connection to the group.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
Regnad Kcin said:
All of that could have been presented, evaluated, and considered had the man been given due process.

Somehow, you're not seeing he is not the issue.

I'm in my kitchen, carrying a heaping hot platter of pasta, meatballs, and sauce when I suddenly lose my grip. The dish crashes to the floor, splattering the food all over, walls included, the pieces of china obliterated as well. The issue is not whether the food was comprised of the finest ingredients, carefully and lovingly prepared over hours, or if I just opened a couple cans of Chef Boyardee. The issue is not the food, it's the mess I made.
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i agree. he was here legally, did nothing wrong, they admitted it was a mistake, ordered to return him. legally and morally wrong that this happened. and the consequences are that he dies in one of the worst places on the planet.

and hercules wants us all to justify this guys existence.
 
Darat said:
And we know how incredible reliable the information that links tattoos to gang membership is:

www.bbc.co.uk

British man's tattoo wrongly linked to Venezuelan gang in US government document

A tattoo belonging to a man from Derbyshire has appeared in a US government document used to identify members of Tren de Aragua, a notorious Venezuelan gang, despite the man having no connection to the group.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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Indeed, that's the go-to red herring for U.S. police. Every tattoo is somehow secretly a gang tattoo.
 
dirtywick said:
i agree. he was here legally, did nothing wrong, they admitted it was a mistake, ordered to return him. legally and morally wrong that this happened. and the consequences are that he dies in one of the worst places on the planet.

and hercules wants us all to justify this guys existence.
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No, he came here illegally.

Then he worked here illegally for years.

Never made any attempt to apply for asylum.
 
Hercules56 said:
Basically they lied. You cannot be fined of imprisoned if you fail to register after 30 days. Its literally a lie. The most that can happen to you is be deported, which is not a criminal penalty.

They literally created a new crime out of thin air.
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JayUtah said:
The idea that someone who fails to register as an alien within 30 days is "a crime punishable by fines, imprisonment, or both," per the President's official spokesperson.


Straw man.
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Here you go:

§1306. Penalties​
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(a) Willful failure to register​
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Any alien required to apply for registration and to be fingerprinted in the United States who willfully fails or refuses to make such application or to be fingerprinted, and any parent or legal guardian required to apply for the registration of any alien who willfully fails or refuses to file application for the registration of such alien shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall, upon conviction thereof, be fined not to exceed $1,000 or be imprisoned not more than six months, or both.​
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Turns out she wasn't speaking colloquially at all. She was simply reciting the law as written. I apologize for misrepresenting the situation.

HTH. HAND!
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Hercules56 said:
No, he came here illegally.

Then he worked here illegally for years.

Never made any attempt to apply for asylum.
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Due process and proportionality, regardless. There is nothing about administrative criminality that warrants summary judgment :eusa_hand: , let alone extreme punishment.:eusa_naughty:
Disrespect for and failure to follow due process requires abandonment of principle, which means there is no longer a constitutional republic to defend, only a bastion of might-makes-right. :eusa_snooty:
 
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Trump could send the message that there is no assylum anymore by bringing the man back from El Salvador and then deporting him again to another country. But he chose the nastiest route.
 
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