Dubai Address hotel fire

I should point out that this building is indeed a concrete structure. In fact all the skyscrapers in Dubai are. Steel is too expensive to import for anything but the reinforcement or some exterior elements. Concrete, however, can be made with what is on hand.
 
In case you weren't aware, there were three fire boats only 400 to 500 yards away in the Hudson River, with each capable of pumping about 19,000 gallons per minute, so the city water main break from the Twin Tower collapses doesn't really answer the question as to why firefighting was stopped on WTC 7.

WTC 7 also had three large Siamese fittings on three of its exterior walls at street level which could have been used to feed the sprinkler system without entering the building.

It sounds like the FDNY chiefs were told the building was going to collapse and that is why they pulled back.

There are whole treads here discussing every possible scenario about the fire boats and how much pressure would be lost in pumping that far.

Why would they expend any effort to save an empty building?

Lives first, property second.
 
FalseFlag appears to have left the building.
No. We just had a major holiday, and I was participating.

The purpose for starting this thread was to draw attention to the fact that a high-rise building was on fire. I was wrong to assume it was steel-framed. I should have checked first. That is my mistake, and I admit it.

There are certainly major differences between steel-framed buildings and concrete buildings; however, the Address Hotel and WTC 1, 2, and 7 are all tall buildings that experienced fires. To say there are no similarities is ludicrous. I agree that comparing the Address Hotel to WTC 1, 2, and 7 is much like comparing apples to oranges, but they are both still fruit.

What should have happened is that everyone who participates on this forum should have opened their eyes, ears, and minds and then watched what happened. No one should have come to any conclusions. No one should have tried to defend their positions. We all should have waited to see what happened, and then discussed the results.

Instead, there was an immediate attack using the usual tactics. It was certainly expected, and you have all behaved exactly as planned. What you have all shown by immediately defending your positions is that you are unwilling to accept any new evidence to change your position. It's as clear as day to anyone reading this thread. You can deny it all you want, but a neutral, third-party observer could confirm this.

I know what this forum is. I know it's purpose, and I know not to waste my time trying to change your minds. It's not because I'm wrong; it's because intelligent debate on this forum is impossible.
 
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And then truthers wonder why people have no respect for them. They claim to do this for the survivors. Yeh right. All they care about is trying to proof that it was an inside job, so they can feel good about themselves. They don't give a rats ass about the people involved. This thread also proves it. Falseflag only wants to know what happens to the building. These people are truly sickening.

You know that what you do by defending the official story denies justice to the victims and their families. It also increases the likelihood that a similar event will happen again. Your posts, and the posts of your fellow "skeptics", do nothing but bring us closer to the "next time." You know this. You can deny it all you want, but it's easy to see.
 
What should have happened is that everyone who participates on this forum should have opened their eyes, ears, and minds and watched what happened. No one should have come to any conclusions. No one should have tried to defend their positions. We all should have waited to see what happened, and then discussed the results.

I was 'informed' virtually in real time, both by the BBC on the nature of the fire and a little googling about the nature of the building's construction.

Instead, there was an immediate attack using the usual tactics.

It was certainly expected, and you have all behaved exactly as planned.

Planned? You kid yourself. Or do you mean you had a plan? You managed to make a bit of an idiot of yourself, and the best way to deal with that is not to dig any deeper.
 
You know that what you do by defending the official story denies justice to the victims and their families. It also increases the likelihood that a similar event will happen again. Your posts, and the posts of your fellow "skeptics", do nothing but bring us closer to the "next time." You know this. You can deny it all you want, but it's easy to see.

Good post. I was going to say something along the same lines to the comment that people who think and say "others who have yet to be apprehended were involved" don't care and saw you had already done so.

The evidence shows there are certainly terrorists who were involved that day who have yet to be identified and apprehended, and justice demands a new investigation to identify and apprehend them. Anyone saying no to this, whether wittingly or unwittingly, is actually aiding and abetting these terrorists.
 
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You know that what you do by defending the official story denies justice to the victims and their families. It also increases the likelihood that a similar event will happen again. Your posts, and the posts of your fellow "skeptics", do nothing but bring us closer to the "next time." You know this. You can deny it all you want, but it's easy to see.

Delusional much?
 
Good post. I was going to say something along the same lines to the comment that people who think and say "others who have yet to be apprehended were involved" don't care and saw you had already done so.

The evidence shows there are certainly terrorists who were involved that day who have yet to be identified and apprehended, and justice demands a new investigation to identify and apprehend them. Anyone saying no to this, whether wittingly or unwittingly, is actually aiding and abetting these terrorists.

And this concerns WTC7 how?
 
You know that what you do by defending the official story denies justice to the victims and their families.

Assumes a conclusion. Given that what you term "the official story" is what in fact happened, by trying to disprove it you are simply trying to inflict a further injustice on a group of innocents.

It also increases the likelihood that a similar event will happen again. Your posts, and the posts of your fellow "skeptics", do nothing but bring us closer to the "next time." You know this.

Nope. Now I know you're not trying to convince us (but then, why are you here at all?), but if you were, then making up stuff about us and telling it to us would be the best possible way to demonstrate that you're making up fantasies with no evidence, and that you're not worth taking any notice of. It's the same every time a conspiracist accuses us of being paid shills; it's a reminder that none of you are in touch with reality, because we know we're not paid shills.

Dave
 
The evidence shows there are certainly terrorists who were involved that day who have yet to be identified and apprehended, and justice demands a new investigation to identify and apprehend them.

No, there aren't (not actually carrying out the attacks, assuming that's what you mean), and no, it doesn't. That's just your delusions, backed up by cherry-picked and deliberately misinterpreted evidence, along with outright denial of the bits you can't explain.

Dave
 
Good post. I was going to say something along the same lines to the comment that people who think and say "others who have yet to be apprehended were involved" don't care and saw you had already done so.

The evidence shows there are certainly terrorists who were involved that day who have yet to be identified and apprehended, and justice demands a new investigation to identify and apprehend them. Anyone saying no to this, whether wittingly or unwittingly, is actually aiding and abetting these terrorists.

Classic coming from truthers. You have been claiming the NIST reports were lies from the beginning. Heck even before the report on WTC7 was final, you truthers have been accusing NIST of complicity with the terrorists for ages, without a single shred of evidence. All you ******** do, is focus on WTC7. So how does this help the victims of 9/11?
 
Good post. I was going to say something along the same lines to the comment that people who think and say "others who have yet to be apprehended were involved" don't care and saw you had already done so.

The evidence shows there are certainly terrorists who were involved that day who have yet to be identified and apprehended, and justice demands a new investigation to identify and apprehend them.

Clearly even in the "official" story there were more besides the 19... and I am not referring to OBL or KSM... It was not 21 perps...

Of course the truth guys want to nail the gov for do a false flag and they may have used the 19 as patsies... I suppose.
 
It sounds like the FDNY chiefs were told the building was going to collapse and that is why they pulled back.

Please Tony, why don't you put it in clear English prose? Why tip-toe around your point? Why not say straight what you mean to say? Come on, be a man, speak after me?

"I, Tony Szamboti, declare that Chief Daniel Nigro is guilty of accessory to murder and of covering up the murder of 2500!"

Call the police today and have Commissioner Daniel Nigro arrested ASAP! Why don't you?






Ahhh... I forgot... you have absolutely no evidence at all and are only projecting your vile prejudice on presumably innocent people. ;)
 
Clearly even in the "official" story there were more besides the 19... and I am not referring to OBL or KSM... It was not 21 perps...

Yes, there were probably some others on the admin side. However, a new investigation of the aftermath of the attacks (which is what Tony and his delusional band want) would be precisely zero use in identifying or apprehending them, and would waste resources that might be used toward that end.

Dave
 
Why wouldn't the sprinklers have dealt with fires in the generator areas? Generator shut down and you only have fuel in the day tanks and lines.

Ah ha! I reckon the biggest reason that no agency has ever come out against these Conspiracy Theorists in any concerted effort is because they were busy concocting their own conspiracies after the event!

Every building is supposed to be tested to exhaustion as compared to its design and local standards - here in the U.K. I oversaw such tests where every single detector head, break glass switch unit and alarm was triggered and monitored for correct action by a whole team of specialists and signed off by the local Fire Officer to gain certification, without which - no one moves in!

Everything I read about WTC is slapdash, the design, the build, the oversight - it was a "must do" job and anyone who tried to stand in its way was overruled or circumvented - email any F.D.N.Y. personnel serving at the time and see what they thought of 1 acre open plan office spaces, non contiguous fire stairs, high rises without sprinklers ( the Towers did not have them or emergency lighting until later refits ) - the list goes on.

As a case in point, the managing agents were extremely cagey about the "generators" in WTC7 after 911 - ( no doubt because they were fully aware of all the fast ones they'd pulled ) and when some answers were forthcoming confusion often reigned ( conveniently) because the building housed an undisclosed amount of "power house equipment" belonging to Consolidated Edison for the whole site and the two underground railways as well as the standby generators installed for Salmon Brothers in their extensive remodelling - floor six was removed to accommodate them ( would like to have been on that job!) Even prior to 911, these generators were problematic - I go so far to say that there is little evidence that they were ever satisfactory as to performance, don't forget that a "standby" generator has to be standing by ready to cut in and supply full demand within an incredibly short time but enough of that. The building's steel frame was substantially altered to carry the load of the top forty floors over the effectively double height Floor 5 and although perfectly sound was probably not the best place for the fires of hell to be sited for about seven hours!

There is video which clearly shows Floor 5 to be convincingly ablaze, fanned like a blast furnace by the gale that's nearly always present at the foot of tall buildings and more especial one that's alight. Video also exists to suggest that large elements of the North Tower fell upon WTC7 and did much damage - despite no one being able to positively prove that the diesel fuel pipes to the generators were severed - looking at the fire and the vast black cloud of smoke - it doesn't take a large jump of one's imagination to say that they were! These lines were double lined three inch steel tube with very uncertain ( if any ) controls to shut them off in a fire - in my opinion their open ends were interpreted by the control gear as demand and thus the pumps delivered the fire anything up to 75 gallons a minute until the tanks were empty or the standby power failed.

Mains power would have shorted out by the Tower collapses triggering the standby start up - I'm not certain of the actual lay-out but would suggest that the feeding day tanks would be continuously topped up from reserves ( 42,000 gals - I'd really like to know how much was recovered!) as needed. As for sprinklers - you first have to consider what type were they? Wet or dry? If they were dry, you can forget all about them because there was no firefighting effort put in after the collapses and so many firemen missing. If they were wet you can also forget them because the water mains were all fractured and there was very little tankage in the building.
 
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Keeping to the Dubai fire - I hope that everyone is as horrified as I am that a fire can race up a modern high rise like that post 911!!!

I reckon virtually every exterior panel is made of combustible materials!
 
Clearly even in the "official" story there were more besides the 19... and I am not referring to OBL or KSM... It was not 21 perps...

Of course the truth guys want to nail the gov for do a false flag and they may have used the 19 as patsies... I suppose.

There are five living guys currently on trial for their roles in 9/11 all of whom not only admit their involvement but are proud of it.
 
You know that what you do by defending the official story denies justice to the victims and their families. It also increases the likelihood that a similar event will happen again. Your posts, and the posts of your fellow "skeptics", do nothing but bring us closer to the "next time." You know this. You can deny it all you want, but it's easy to see.

It appears the official story, 19 terrorists did 911, is reality; and your story is BS made up out of fantasy, and ignorance of science, void of reality.

Skeptics? Where are you hiding your overwhelming evidence for your "official story".

Who planted the silent explosives in your CD fantasy?

The CD lie mocks the murder of thousands. No evidence.

What is "next time"? Why do you apologize for 19 terrorists with the dumbest conspiracy theory you can't explain.

What does the fire in this thread have to do with 911? Did 19 terrorists start the fires? Did an aircraft bring 10,000 gallons to the event? Were many fire fighters lost? Skeptics? lol, flaseflag?
 
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