Dubai Address hotel fire

FalseFlag said:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35913988

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/28/middleeast/uae-ajman-tower-blaze/

Did it collapse yet?
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No, it didn't collapse yet.
Why are you asking? Did you expect it to collapse? If so, why?

And why did you start this thread in the 9/11 CT subforum? Is there a link to any 9/11 Conspiracy Theory? If so, please explain in your reply. I shall report the thread and ask that it be moved to "Social Issues and Current Events", should you fail to explain the 9/11 CT angle in your very next post.

Meanwhile, here are some follow-up news report from a UAE news source:
New ‘stone’ panels proposed for fire code
gulfnews.com said:
Monday night’s fire in the Ajman One residential cluster was the latest tower fire, not long after the New Year’s Eve fire at Address Hotel where flames curled the skins of its aluminium panels in a tall pillar of fire that was quickly doused in a record-setting response by Dubai firefighters.
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Tenants assess damage after fire
Ajman building fire: Residents to get access to tower on Thursday
“There was a lot of water left over after the firefighting operation ...” said Abdullah, a Tower 8 tenant.
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So, not surprisingly, the fire primarily affected the skin of the building, and was met with speedy and massive fire fighting activity where it spread to the inside.

I haven't seen a reference to the structural material. I would bet it's yet another re-inforced concrete complex.
 
FalseFlag said:
Explosion just reported by eyewitness and aired on CNN.
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Thanks for providing this example of explosions reported in a building fire when there is no explosive demolition, proving by single example that reports of explosions need not mean that there were explosives charges.

I shall remind you of that in the future.
 
Oystein said:
Thanks for providing this example of explosions reported in a building fire when there is no explosive demolition, proving by single example that reports of explosions need not mean that there were explosives charges.

I shall remind you of that in the future.
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I can't see a post from FF mentioning an explosion?
 
The folks in Dubai it seems need to do a serious re-think on the exterior cladding of their buildings. This is what, the 3rd major exterior fire on a Dubai high rise in the last two years or so?!?!

Its a good thing tall buildings in Dubai use reinforced concrete construction, don't have other tall buildings fall on them, and tend to burn externally only. Otherwise, people might draw ridiculously inappropriate analogies to things that happened on 9/11,... and that would just be nutty.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
I can't see a post from FF mentioning an explosion?
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Urrr - I quoted it :confused:

But never mind - I got confused a little, I realized after posting that I was replying to a New Year's Eve post about the Address Hotel fire, not the Ajman incidents this Monday.
 
Mark F said:
The folks in Dubai it seems need to do a serious re-think on the exterior cladding of their buildings. This is what, the 3rd major exterior fire on a Dubai high rise in the last two years or so?!?!
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The 11th such incident since 2012, said one article at gulfnews.com, I think the first that I linked to in my previous post.

It is estimated that more than 1000 large buildings in the UAE have these claddings made of two layers of thin aluminium with an insulating layer of PU between them, where the PU burns so easily. They will certainly change building codes there shortly to mandate non-flammable cladding materials. I am not sure if they have advanced in the discussion what to do with the legacy of 1000+ buildings already at risk - if retrofitting them is a viable option.

Mark F said:
Its a good thing tall buildings in Dubai use reinforced concrete construction, don't have other tall buildings fall on them, and tend to burn externally only.
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Slight nitpick: Yes, these fires spread along the exterior, and that's also what makes them so spectacular looking, particularly at night, even though the exterior flames as such pose no threat to the integrity of the structures whatsoever. BUT these fires also tend to spread inside here and there - we have reports of rooms that were partially or totally damaged by fires (not necessarily fully involved; damage from heat radiation and from soot would count towards "totally damaged") in most or all of these incidents. At the same time, all fires were eventually attacked by regular fire fighting, and in some cases immediately by sprinklers.

NB: I am not sure if the Ajman One complex had sprinklers, I saw no mention of this.
 
Oystein said:
Slight nitpick: Yes, these fires spread along the exterior, and that's also what makes them so spectacular looking, particularly at night, even though the exterior flames as such pose no threat to the integrity of the structures whatsoever. BUT these fires also tend to spread inside here and there - we have reports of rooms that were partially or totally damaged by fires (not necessarily fully involved; damage from heat radiation and from soot would count towards "totally damaged") in most or all of these incidents. At the same time, all fires were eventually attacked by regular fire fighting, and in some cases immediately by sprinklers.

NB: I am not sure if the Ajman One complex had sprinklers, I saw no mention of this.
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Illustrating further the point as to why these spectacular looking fires in Dubai really have little more in common with anything that happened on 9/11 other than there was a structure of some sort and a fire of some sort.

In each case in Dubai fire barriers and fire suppression systems were intact and firefighters were able to attack the fires aggressively before any major interior or structural damage could be done. All quite different from what happened on 9/11.

Yet every time there is a wisp of flame in a high-rise somewhere the non-thinkers have to flood the interwebs with the why didn't that building collapse like on 9/11 nonsense.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
I can't see a post from FF mentioning an explosion?
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Oystein linked the post. I was live blogging CNN. An eyewitness said they heard an explosion, so I posted their statement. There was no hidden agenda behind the post. I was live blogging what I saw on CNN.
 
DGM said:
What building? What's the point as it pertains to 9/11 conspiracies (remembering where you are posting this)?
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The OP is about the Dubai Address hotel fire from 3 months ago,... which has nothing to do with 9/11 related CT nonsense.

For reasons not exactly clear and without warning FF has now derailed the discussion to a different fire in a different building, but at least also in Dubai which occurred earlier this week. Post #265

FalseFlag said:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35913988

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/28/middleeast/uae-ajman-tower-blaze/

Did it collapse yet?
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It would be hard to post something containing less context or established relevance as the reader is required to click on links to even know what he is on about. I suspect few bothered. While this newest fire is seemingly quite similar to the Address fire, and numerous other recent Dubai high-rise fires, unfortunately has even less to do with 9/11 CT nonsense.

Might I suggest moving this whole discussion to somewhere current events are relevant?
 
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Mark F said:
Might I suggest moving this whole discussion to somewhere current events are relevant?
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I serious doubt it would be worth the effort. FF is not interested in the specifics, he's only looking to score points. This is proven by the fact he has no clue about the building construction or how it relates to 9/11.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
FF doesn’t. He knows the answer or he wouldn't be asking.
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FF know the answer perfectly well and the question - in all its gross ambiguity - was no doubt as rhetorical as it is irrelevant in a discussion forum titled 9/11 Conspiracy Theories.
 
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