Drunkard shoots cop car, isn't even arrested

[IDB87]

funny sad how cops want and get a very stacked deck

they can lie to your face
claim facts known to be untrue
fake evidence
all to try to extort a confession
but if joe citizen lies or even miss speaks they can be charged with a crime

but worse is the non-reporting of cops shooting people
every cop shot is logged in a national data base FBI ect
but most shootings of citizens by cops are NOT
eazy to hide numbers when nobody is even keeping track of them

I want a simple rule
if a cop kill a citizen unnecessarily
the cop not only is fired
but never ever works in law enforcement ever anywhere


unnecessarily inc the usual BS like he thought the guy made a move
or the cop acts on the guy holding a wallet walkman or other non-dangerous object

yes we want cops to be safe
BUT NOT AT THE COST OF CITIZENS LIVES like it is now
and as one citizen killed is tooo many
cops who kill citizens out of fear or wrong reading a situation
should only get to kill ONCE and never again
and as time and again it has been proven jurys donot convict cops EVER
even in the most unjustified situations
we need a national rule
kill a citizen stop being a cop
no more going to the next city or county or state and be rehired

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I still want to know how many citizens are shot by cops each and every year

Not enough.

 

[Ladewig]

funny sad how cops want and get a very stacked deck

they can lie to your face
claim facts known to be untrue
fake evidence
all to try to extort a confession
but if joe citizen lies or even miss speaks they can be charged with a crime

but worse is the non-reporting of cops shooting people
every cop shot is logged in a national data base FBI ect
but most shootings of citizens by cops are NOT
eazy to hide numbers when nobody is even keeping track of them

I want a simple rule
if a cop kill a citizen unnecessarily
the cop not only is fired
but never ever works in law enforcement ever anywhere


unnecessarily inc the usual BS like he thought the guy made a move
or the cop acts on the guy holding a wallet walkman or other non-dangerous object

yes we want cops to be safe
BUT NOT AT THE COST OF CITIZENS LIVES like it is now
and as one citizen killed is tooo many
cops who kill citizens out of fear or wrong reading a situation
should only get to kill ONCE and never again
and as time and again it has been proven jurys donot convict cops EVER
even in the most unjustified situations
we need a national rule
kill a citizen stop being a cop
no more going to the next city or county or state and be rehired

I had to work pretty hard to understand you points. Is there a specific reason you avoid commas and periods?

 

[Bikewer]

While it is true that we can lie during the course of an interrogation, and even confront the suspect with phony "evidence" such as a blank videotape, these things do not "extort" or compel confessions and they cannot be used in court against the suspect.

Essentially, we are allowed a certain degree of trickery during the interrogation process, but we cannot arrest or prosecute the individual using these techniques or fabricated evidence.
At least, not legally. Prosecuting someone using faked or planted evidence is illegal. So is suppressing exculpatory evidence.
Last time I checked, there were about a million "sworn" (commissioned) police officers in the US. If you have a million individuals who have as part of their daily duties the handling of various weapons and confronting dangerous criminals with same.... There are going to be accidents.
Just as there are accidents in industry and any other profession. "Doctor, where's that last hemostat?" "Oops..."
Certainly an officer would expect to be at least disciplined and likely prosecuted for "reckless endangerment", manslaughter, or homicide should he be culpable in such a thing.
However, there are situations that are just accidents.

 

[nota]

sure **** happens
and there maybe no malice
so what the guy shot by the cop is still dead or injured

the point is
we need to weed out cops who kill
be it by accident, incompetence, or just too quick to shoot
one dead citizen is too many
but the current system has failed and failed badly at weeding
and in fact bends over backwards to protect not the citizen but only the cops
far tooo many cops even if fired by one dept
just go down the road and get another dept to hire them
and that needs to stop
we need rules to protect us from killer cops
not the current system of smoke and mirrors


btw to all grammar nazi's
english majors are the worlds most useless form of life
ideas matter
spelling grammar and little dots DO NOT

Edited by Rat: 

Please do not attempt to circumvent the autocensor.

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

sure **** happens
and there maybe no malice
so what the guy shot by the cop is still dead or injured

the point is
we need to weed out cops who kill
be it by accident, incompetence, or just too quick to shoot
one dead citizen is too many
but the current system has failed and failed badly at weeding
and in fact bends over backwards to protect not the citizen but only the cops
far tooo many cops even if fired by one dept
just go down the road and get another dept to hire them
and that needs to stop
we need rules to protect us from killer cops
not the current system of smoke and mirrors

Have you ever wondered what that big key to the left of the "Z" if for?

 

[DrDave]

For comparison, Cop shoots drunken and unruly, but unarmed and handcuffed man in the back of cop car in the face with a rifle.

And the problem is? Don't want to get shot, don't be drunk and unruly in the back of a cop car - simples

 

[Taarkin]

...

You wrote This sketch, didn't you.

And the problem is? Don't want to get shot, don't be drunk and unruly in the back of a cop car - simples

Read the OP.

 

[nota]

Have you ever wondered what that big key to the left of the "Z" if for?

do you care people are getting killed
or is picking at nits your only function here ??

 

[nota]

You wrote This sketch, didn't you.


Read the OP.

no but I do wish TV shows would pay me to write for them

 

[kerikiwi]

do you care people are getting killed
or is picking at nits your only function here ??

Punctuation allows easier communication.

 

[kerikiwi]

no but I do wish TV shows would pay me to write for them

Why don't they?
Or, if you prefer: why dont they

 

[Ladewig]

ideas matter
spelling grammar and little dots DO NOT

So I pointed out that I could not follow your ideas because you avoid punctuation and your response is to claim that ideas matter more than punctuation. Yes, they do. But I (and other posters) cannot easily follow your ideas because of your formatting.

Also, you seem to have misunderstood what a grammar nazi is. A grammar nazi says things like "Ha. I laugh at you because unreal present conditional statements require the subjunctive mood and you used the indicative mood." All I did was politely request that you provide more clarity to your ideas. Which I will do again, please consider writing your posts in a manner more conductive to clarity.

 

[geni]

funny sad how cops want and get a very stacked deck

they can lie to your face
claim facts known to be untrue
fake evidence
all to try to extort a confession
but if joe citizen lies or even miss speaks they can be charged with a crime

Nope. None of those things are per se illegal. Of course if you attempt to mislead the authorities about a crime that can get you into trouble as can fraud but thats a slightly different issue.

yes we want cops to be safe
BUT NOT AT THE COST OF CITIZENS LIVES like it is now
and as one citizen killed is tooo many
cops who kill citizens out of fear or wrong reading a situation
should only get to kill ONCE and never again

Thing is police are expensive firing them without good reason is wasting money spent in training.

 

[Arisia]

....
Thing is police are expensive firing them without good reason is wasting money spent in training.

And expensive in court/legal costs, too. Most police officers are members of powerful unions, they're one of the best protected groups of public employees, along with firefighters.

I know this because I have a sibling who is an attorney who lobbies for a couple police unions in the legislature of the state he lives in.

 

[Bikewer]

Nota seems to think that police have carte blanc to do what they like free from repercussions.
Not true. I've been in the business for 40+ years, and police officers are subject to a wide variety of sanctions if their actions are illegal or go against department policies.

Note that police work has changed considerably in those 40 years. I was lucky to join a professional, accredited department. This is not always the case, and in the past it was very common for smaller outfits to be poorly trained, serve at the whim of politicians and city fathers, and so ill-trained and poorly-paid as to be laughable.
I can't deny that this is still the case in various places around the country, but increasingly it's very uncommon.
There are several reasons for this.

First, states have increasingly taken part in establishing and enforcing minimum standards for police certification and training. Not only a standard of training to be an officer, but continuing education to maintain one's certification.
In Missouri and other states it's called P.O.S.T, or Police Officer Standards of Training.
No POST, no badge.

Also, Departments invariably have long, detailed manuals of procedures and policies which also must conform to IACLEA standards. That's a national board responsible for putting together standards for police policies.

Our department manual is a very thick binder that's constantly updated.

A police officer who breaks the law or violates policy (or both) may be subject to departmental discipline, firing, arrest, prosecution under state or federal authorities, and also civil lawsuit. We are generally protected from lawsuit if we follow departmental policies in good faith. (the department may be sued, of course)
In a local case some years ago, a judgement against the East St. Louis police department resulted in a large settlement against the city. Since the city was effectively broke, they turned over the title of the City Hall building to the plaintiff.....

I'm not going to try to maintain that there are not bad eggs and corruption and malfeasance and other ills. However, we are fortunate in the US in that when such things come to light there are generally severe consequences.

 

[geni]

And expensive in court/legal costs, too. Most police officers are members of powerful unions, they're one of the best protected groups of public employees, along with firefighters.

See my location? The abilities of police unions are very limited around here.

 

[Bikewer]

Police unions tend to be very localized. When I was with the local county police, there was a group that tried to unionize for years. They were never able to get a majority of officers who felt it was a good idea.
Some cities have very active police unions, and contracts that require legal representation if charges are brought and a variety of other things as well. However, I think that on a national basis the number of "union shops" in police work is considerably in the minority.

 

[WildCat]

There's a somewhat ironic question...

Not my fault he was commenting on a post without quoting it. I assumed he was talking about the story in the OP.

 

[WildCat]

I had to work pretty hard to understand you points. Is there a specific reason you avoid commas and periods?

Maybe the same reason he avoids coherent thoughts.