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Merged Drone attack on Saudi Oil Production
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Childlike Empress
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LOL can a post be started worse?
Houthi presentation of their gear here from this summer. When we say "Houthis" now, what we mean is also a significant part of the Yemeni army that is fighting on their side and have been armed in the past by all of the usual suspects.
Trebuchet
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[CT mode] It's a Saudi false flag, designed to trick the US into attacking Iran! With a bonus of higher oil prices! [/CT mode]
a_unique_person
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The state of technology these days is such that weapons like these can be put together much more easily than before.
The parts are all readily available.
Engine - off the shelf Rotax runs on standard petrol.
Frame - standard design that does not need to be high tech, drones just cruise along at low speed.
GPS - off the shelf and very precise if you want to bomb something the size of an airfield.
C4 - readily available.
Control systems - like the Rotax engine, well understood technology
Drones are designed to have docile flight characteristics - easy to control.
The target is a sprawling site full of flammable material. Once a fire is stayed in one location it can spread very easily.
According to Wiki Iran only makes three of its high tech, multipurpose drones reach year. They would be unlikely to give the number required to the Houtis for an attack that used at least ten drones. The Iranian drones can perform multiple missions such as dropping smart bombs and surveillance. They contain a lot of expensive equipment and have retractable undercarriage.
In contrast the drones used in the attacks don't have to be that sophisticated. They only have one role and they only have to do it once. They will be a lot cheaper and easier to make. The Houtis would have Iran's help to build these of course.
Senex
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I'm just an ordinary American reading the news about this event with no skin in the game. What was hoped to be gained by targeting Saudi Oil? I guess Yemen is suffering so badly that Saudi Arabia can't possibly torture them any more than they do already so they lashed out at them. I don't know what it is like to have my family bombed and starved so I can't really be empathetic. I know Iranians are suffering as well. I don't know if they are baiting the Trump administration to drop bombs on them or if it is a good idea or not for them if they are. It's hard for an American to know what to believe. These issues are complicated and most Americans don't get past the biased headlines. I consider myself someone who tries a bit harder to understand what goes on than most but this attack just seems to me to be self defeating because it helps gives the Trump administration something to point at for them to act unilaterally if they choose. What did it gain?
Childlike Empress
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FTR we have compiled a page about Yemeni attacks on Saudi infrastructure in recent years. This may be the most effective one, but nothing out of the ordinary. UAE has made a U-Turn in recent months and retracted from that dirty, dirty massacre against the Yemeni people after credible threats to their core infrastructure. Time for the dark-age penguins to stop it as well.
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Fat chance of that - with the scumbag MBS in charge and Putin's hand up his butt, he'll double down for sure.
I see oil spiked, with no doubt some speculators, but I'd say it will be back to usual within days. The spike appears to already almost halved.
Pity, really - the best thing that could happen to the planet is for oil to reach $200+ a barrel.
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Glad to see our POTUS so willing to put our military at work for the Saudis. Good folk, well worth defending with US blood and treasure.
Trump tweet:
“Saudi Arabia oil supply was attacked. There is reason to believe that we know the culprit, are locked and loaded depending on verification, but are waiting to hear from the Kingdom as to who they believe was the cause of this attack, and under what terms we would proceed!”
God forbid the Saudis actually have to fight their own battles. Those gold plated AKs aren't made for firing in anger.
Trump tweet:
“Saudi Arabia oil supply was attacked. There is reason to believe that we know the culprit, are locked and loaded depending on verification, but are waiting to hear from the Kingdom as to who they believe was the cause of this attack, and under what terms we would proceed!”
God forbid the Saudis actually have to fight their own battles. Those gold plated AKs aren't made for firing in anger.
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TragicMonkey
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Don't worry, the Trump administration is working on selling the Saudis nuclear tech.
It is amazing what money, and control of a strategic resource, can do. Despite 15 of the 19 individuals in the 9/11 attacks being Saudi, the continued export of radical Islamic ideology, the clear evidence that Saudi Arabia is not our friend, etc. the USA pretty much does what they ask of us. I do understand the complexities, the proxy wars, etc. but it often is very embarrassing.
Listen there is nothing odd at all about shoring up democracy and human rights in the Middle East by getting in bed with an absolute hereditary monarchy with the human rights record somewhere between Gilead and Skeletor.
Dr.Sid
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Maybe Trump is actually muslim ?
TragicMonkey
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He's 40% pork by mass, he could never be a Muslim.
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I think that's very much an insult to Skeletor. He ran a very diverse organization and targeted only the political and military structures of his foes directly, vice trying to get the Thundercats to fight on his behalf.
Sarcasm noted - but I would not be too surprised to find out that SA exaggerated the scope of the damage, to the point of producing doctored photos, shutting down undamaged faculties, stopping exports of products that have already been refined, maybe even doing a bit of damage themselves to outdated or non-functional equipment, that sort of thing.
It may not be a false flag, but the Saudis would not want to let a good crisis go to waste. With truth and honesty being vanishingly low priorities for them, they have a lot to work with right now.
Looking that the top image in this BBC Article, it looks like the damage was pretty precise, much more so than just hitting an airfield. These hits seem to have been down to a few meters in precision.
Saudi oil attacks: US says intelligence shows Iran involved
Dr.Sid
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Iran's weapons of mass destruction maybe ?
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Assuming this is an escalation to the mine on the tanker in the Straight of straight of Hormuz, there is still only property damage:
if this was Hezbollah, they are remarkably restrained, only demonstrating that they can bring a significant part of the globe's oil production to a halt.
An attack on Iran at whatever scope will not diminish this capability, and I think the Saudi know it.
if this was Hezbollah, they are remarkably restrained, only demonstrating that they can bring a significant part of the globe's oil production to a halt.
An attack on Iran at whatever scope will not diminish this capability, and I think the Saudi know it.
Venom
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I heard a CT now that says it was Israel.
Just people wanting particular narratives instead of the evidence. *sigh*