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Dreams are real

Reality is electrical signals interpreted by the brain.
INVALID. Reality is what exists even after the brain is no longer alive and able to perceive it.
The same things happen in dreams.
INVALID. This proposition is dependent upon the validity of the first proposition. Since the first proposition is invalid, the second is also.
Therefore dreams = Reality.
INVALID. Both propositions are invalid, therefor this conclusion is invalid also.

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Reality is electrical signals interpreted by the brain. The same things happen in dreams. Therefore dreams = Reality.

Dreams are only real within the realms of ones own mind. So real for one person, maybe. Real for everyone else, not.
 
commerce and cultures are all made up. Nothing to do with reality.

Yet commerce and culture are interpreted by our brains as the same sort of electro/chemical processes that are involved in dreaming.
 
Reality is electrical signals interpreted by the brain. Therefore dreams = Reality.
Also televison programs and Hollywood movies are electrical signals interpreted by the brain. Therefore they = Reality? Well I would never try to deny the existence of television programs and Hollywood movies. Or dreams either. I just think that their contents are products of imagination.
 
Considering I once had a dream where I was dying, I'm fairly certain dreams aren't real. I've also had a dream where I was a T. rex. I have a distinct lack of arms and tails.

As for money: Merely because something isn't physical doesn't mean it has no connection with reality (I think that made sense....What I mean is not physical=/=no connection to reality). In fact, there are several types of concepts that are entirely tied to reality--symbols, measurements, and the like. An inch is an inch is an inch, but I defy you to find an inch lying around (doesn't quite work as well with metric ;) ). All you'll find is an inch OF something. Does that mean that inches aren't real?

:eye-poppi Perhaps we've proven that reality isn't real, or at least is beyond our comprehension! After all, if it's not physical it's not real--therefore units of measure aren't real--therefore nothing can be measured--therefore it's all unknowable!
 
This is a perfect opportunity to share a dream I had the other night.

I dreamed that every now and then my hand got amputated in some manner...maybe it just fell off, or I was careless or something.

Anyway, in the dream I was able to regrow my hand whenever this happened. However, in order to get the protein I needed to do this, I had to eat the old hand.

It tasted really good, sort of like chicken.

So, for the remainder of the dream I was walking around, gnawing on a finger or something.

When I finally woke up -- sure enough, MY HAND HAD GROWN BACK!!!

I guess dreams ARE real!
 
Considering I once had a dream where I was dying, I'm fairly certain dreams aren't real. I've also had a dream where I was a T. rex. I have a distinct lack of arms and tails.

As for money: Merely because something isn't physical doesn't mean it has no connection with reality (I think that made sense....What I mean is not physical=/=no connection to reality). In fact, there are several types of concepts that are entirely tied to reality--symbols, measurements, and the like. An inch is an inch is an inch, but I defy you to find an inch lying around (doesn't quite work as well with metric ;) ). All you'll find is an inch OF something. Does that mean that inches aren't real?

:eye-poppi Perhaps we've proven that reality isn't real, or at least is beyond our comprehension! After all, if it's not physical it's not real--therefore units of measure aren't real--therefore nothing can be measured--therefore it's all unknowable!

You could certainly make the argument that software isn't real, but it seems real enough to me.
 
I was going to say that basically any kind of information isn't strictly physical, but it exists.

Interestingly, "software" is more of a nebulous concept than most people think. There is the machine code that contains the actual instructions carried out by the computer. There is the source code, which tells the compiler how to build the machine code. There is the architecture, which is an extremely fuzzy representation of how the instructions are organized. There are models, which are used to build the architecture, and there are domains, which exist with or without the software and are used to build the models.

To actually do work, all that is required is the machine code (or bytecode, or whatever is used to carry out instructions). All the other stuff, which is "unreal" by mushy's standards, are necessary ingredients* to make it happen.



*Sort of. Some people just haul off and write a bunch of code, then put bug fix on top of bug fix until it kind of works.
 
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Well heres a reality based dream. I dreampt that my best high school friend and I were working on something in a room of some sort when my friend kept appearing and talking and suddenly disappearing. He's been dead for eleven years and I guess that was what the dream was about.
 
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Interestingly, "software" is more of a nebulous concept than most people think. There is the machine code that contains the actual instructions carried out by the computer. There is the source code, which tells the compiler how to build the machine code. There is the architecture, which is an extremely fuzzy representation of how the instructions are organized. There are models, which are used to build the architecture, and there are domains, which exist with or without the software and are used to build the models.

To actually do work, all that is required is the machine code (or bytecode, or whatever is used to carry out instructions). All the other stuff, which is "unreal" by mushy's standards, are necessary ingredients* to make it happen.



*Sort of. Some people just haul off and write a bunch of code, then put bug fix on top of bug fix until it kind of works.

Yeah, it's always been my opinion that the mind is simply the software running on the hardware that is the brain. Not physical, but a representation of configurations of information.
 
aggle-rithm said:
*Sort of. Some people just haul off and write a bunch of code, then put bug fix on top of bug fix until it kind of works.
I've heard this called "speghetti code"--when you try to map it out it looks like a plate of speghetti (as opposed to a neat, orderly series of instructions). When Creationists try to argue that DNA is a programing language, biologists who know programing always say "If it is, the programer sucks." :D

You could certainly make the argument that software isn't real, but it seems real enough to me.
I've gotten into arguments about whether an organism should be in THIS phylum or THAT phylum (not always an easy task at 500 million years ago). Can't get much more nebulous than the concept of a phyla!
 
INVALID. Reality is what exists even after the brain is no longer alive and able to perceive it.

INVALID. This proposition is dependent upon the validity of the first proposition. Since the first proposition is invalid, the second is also.

INVALID. Both propositions are invalid, therefor this conclusion is invalid also.

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Unlike any of you I've actually done research into this topic. In the last few months I had a dream I was at the YMCA in the bottom of a swimming pool. I asked a fellow swimmer/sinker if this was reality, to which she replied with an astonished look, "Of course." I've come to the conclusion that dreams connect us to other multiverses. Unfortunately I've been unable to duplicate this (dreams can be tricky to control). If you want to argue this you're going to have to find the girl that was in my dream. That my friend, is end of thread.
 
Oh, so there really was an alien parasite in my left leg named Harry, I've really been to Titan, there really is a secret train station below the local library and you can eat glass? Cooool.
 
Unlike any of you I've actually done research into this topic. In the last few months I had a dream I was at the YMCA in the bottom of a swimming pool. I asked a fellow swimmer/sinker if this was reality, to which she replied with an astonished look, "Of course." I've come to the conclusion that dreams connect us to other multiverses. Unfortunately I've been unable to duplicate this (dreams can be tricky to control). If you want to argue this you're going to have to find the girl that was in my dream. That my friend, is end of thread.

Tell me you're not serious. You base this knowledge on something a figment of your imagination said inside a figment of your imagination. There is no logical step linking your dream to the "multiverse" marvel/dc-comic book like thingy you got going on.

Oh, I love comic books. But I'm pretty sure that the stories in there are not very real-like.

If you had done some research there are perfectly good and plausible explainations on how dreams work. Where are you coming from?

If any of my dreams were true, either:
- My sister has a rare form of immunodeficiency to cure which she has to get transfusions from a dolphin.
- I host inside of me a big muscular guy that kinda looks like Bison from street fighter and has a omocidal streak, which led me to rip my granparents to shreds.
- I can fly and filter oxigen from water.
- I can make crackpots like you understand that to formulate a hypothesis you have to be informed on the subject at hand.
- I have a house that answers to my verbal commands.
- My teeth sometimes get monstrously huge and fall off.
- Etcetera.

Do you have any intelligent reply to this and other posts? Something based on more than a subjective impression?
 

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