Drag Shows!!

[Gulliver Foyle]

Gorden Kaye wrote in his autobiography about being gay, which was published in 1989. I don't think it ever really was a secret.

And to make this post somewhat on topic, Kaye played a nun in Terry Gilliam's Jabberwocky.

 

[catsmate]

I challenge your assertion.<snippage>

Maybe you should support some of your claims and unilateral assertions?

 

[catsmate]

Well...

ACLU
The Gender Book
Oxford English Dictionary

A fairly pathetic, but typical effort on your past.
The first two are based on the same opinion piece and state:

Drag King/Drag Queen People who sometimes dress as opposite sex for purpose [sic] of entertainment

The OED only mentions drag in the context of the now defunct periodical of that name, "A magazine about the transvestite"

 

[catsmate]

What other school events do you think deserve such prohibitions?

Personally, any form of religious service, religious instruction or indoctrination or close contact with religious practitioners.

 

[catsmate]

And to make this post somewhat on topic, Kaye played a nun in Terry Gilliam's Jabberwocky.

OK but that linkage has obviously had the same treatment as Surovikin is getting in Lefortovo.....

 

[acbytesla]

I get a strong vibe saying Republicans are always vile and the in crowd here hardly needs say it, nudge nudge.

I really don’t think Republicans are always vile. Lincoln wasn't vile, neither was Teddy Roosevelt or Eisenhower. Pete McCloskey wasn't vile. Hell, I'm not a fan of George Bush, John McCain or Mitt Romney. But I wouldn't describe them as vile. Trump is vile. DeSantis is vile. Jim Jordan is vile. MTG and Lauren Boebert are vile. The policies and practices of this version of the Republican party is vile

Yet that despite the context of brand new gender ideology, and indoctrination of false beliefs in schools, drag shows can remain untainted.
Another view is they are now contextually repellant, and just might be right royally screwing children further.
However, get rid of gender in schools, and I wouldn't bat an eyelid at drag shows.

My apologies, but I really don’t understand what you're trying to say.

 

[quadraginta]

I get a strong vibe saying Republicans are always vile and the in crowd here hardly needs say it, nudge nudge.

I really don’t think Republicans are always vile. Lincoln wasn't vile, neither was Teddy Roosevelt or Eisenhower. Pete McCloskey wasn't vile. Hell, I'm not a fan of George Bush, John McCain or Mitt Romney. But I wouldn't describe them as vile. Trump is vile. DeSantis is vile. Jim Jordan is vile. MTG and Lauren Boebert are vile. The policies and practices of this version of the Republican party is vile

I didn't used to think so either. But I was around and politically aware when the seeds of their vileness were planted by Goldwater, et al. and their "Southern Strategy". Those seeds have sprouted and flourished in the ensuing decades, far beyond anyone's expectations, and the Repugnican party has become completely their creature.

There is no turning back for them. There is no reversing course. They have moved themselves well beyond any hope of that. And they know it. And anyone who is morally and ethically bankrupt enough to be willing to share the name even in the face of what has been done in that name by the party is beyond redemption, regardless of their claims, denials, and posturing.

The GOP knows this, which is why anybody amongst them who deviates from the party's vileness even by the slightest measure is ultimately, sooner or later, pilloried and driven from their midst. More than a few have learned this truth the hard way, often for the most minor of transgressions.

Hillary was too kind. To be a Repugnican is to be a deplorable. Not just some of them. No exceptions. This is the path they have chosen for themselves. If they were not so inclined they would not be able to stomach the association. They would not align themselves with such a reprehensible organization.

If someone told you that they were members of the KKK, but they really weren't racist, how much credence would you give them?

The GOP is no different.

Their current preoccupation with drag shows, and the trans community in general is just another example of their willingness to harass and castigate harmless minorities in their efforts to fan fear among the constituents they claim to represent.

Just one more example ... among so many.

Yet that despite the context of brand new gender ideology, and indoctrination of false beliefs in schools, drag shows can remain untainted.
Another view is they are now contextually repellant, and just might be right royally screwing children further.
However, get rid of gender in schools, and I wouldn't bat an eyelid at drag shows.

My apologies, but I really don’t understand what you're trying to say.

There's a lot of that going around.

 

[Samson]

My apologies, but I really don’t understand what you're trying to say.

No apology needed.
I am saying the children are being indoctrinated with shameless lies about gender and the flexibility for their lives this allegedly leads to, and that drag shows are fuel to this inferno. No inferno and the fuel might fall harmlessly like driftwood.
(Hyperbole for a just cause).

 

[quadraginta]

No apology needed.
I am saying the children are being indoctrinated with shameless lies about gender and the flexibility for their lives this allegedly leads to, and that drag shows are fuel to this inferno.
(Hyperbole for a just cause).

What are some examples of these "shameless lies"?

With reference citations, of course.

 

[Stacyhs]

Please please please please tell me the branches are the Buckets and the "Bouquets"!

Mind the pedestrians, TM!

 

[Samson]

What are some examples of these "shameless lies"?

With reference citations, of course.

My last offering on that topic ended badly, I will expand on the trans thread when I have time to pull the transcripts and links together.

 

[acbytesla]

No apology needed.
I am saying the children are being indoctrinated with shameless lies about gender and the flexibility for their lives this allegedly leads to, and that drag shows are fuel to this inferno.
(Hyperbole for a just cause).

What lies about gender? Who exactly is indoctrinating them and how? And how exactly is drag contributing? If you're going to make such claims, I think you need to prove them.

 

[Stacyhs]

No apology needed.
I am saying the children are being indoctrinated with shameless lies about gender and the flexibility for their lives this allegedly leads to, and that drag shows are fuel to this inferno. No inferno and the fuel might fall harmlessly like driftwood.
(Hyperbole for a just cause).

Wow. You really should lay off the "grooming" Kool Aid.

What are some examples of these "shameless lies"?

With reference citations, of course.

Yes, I'd like to see some of those myself.

Of course, Samson makes no mention of children being "indoctrinated" by state laws that require the Pledge of Allegiance to be recited, "In God We Trust" and the Ten Commandments being prominently displayed in all schools. Nah, that's not indoctrination. No...that's just plain old patriotism and freedom of religion!

 

[quadraginta]

My last offering on that topic ended badly, I will expand on the trans thread when I have time to pull the transcripts and links together.

Yeah, right.

We aren't in the trans thread, and I don't go there.

You have been making any number of claims about drag shows and indoctrination. Your evidence (assuming you actually have any) would be perfectly on topic here, since that is one of the essential assertions being discussed in this thread.

So bring it on. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who would like to see it.

ETA: stacyhs makes two of us. Go for it.

 

[Samson]

Yeah, right.

We aren't in the trans thread, and I don't go there.

You have been making any number of claims about drag shows and indoctrination. Your evidence (assuming you actually have any) would be perfectly on topic here, since that is one of the essential assertions being discussed in this thread.

So bring it on. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who would like to see it.

ETA: stacyhs makes two of us. Go for it.

I would genuinely like to but I can't on this thread.

 

[quadraginta]

I would genuinely like to but I can't on this thread.

Convenient.

 

[Samson]

Wow. You really should lay off the "grooming" Kool Aid.



Yes, I'd like to see some of those myself.

Of course, Samson makes no mention of children being "indoctrinated" by state laws that require the Pledge of Allegiance to be recited, "In God We Trust" and the Ten Commandments being prominently displayed in all schools. Nah, that's not indoctrination. No...that's just plain old patriotism and freedom of religion!

False equivalence unfortunately. Suffice to say my position is that if drag shows encourage an authorizing of gender and pronoun abuse in schools, get rid of the drag shows until the underlying fire is doused.
Many old school lefties are seeing safety in republican methodology, abhorrent though the notion may be to you.
It is a fact:
Wise and highly intelligent people call the current period the most dangerous in the history of humanity and language.

 

[Stacyhs]

I would genuinely like to but I can't on this thread.

Why can't you? Can you state the rule that precludes you doing so?

Convenient.

Isn't it, though?

 

[quadraginta]

False equivalence unfortunately. Suffice to say my position is that if drag shows encourage an authorizing of gender and pronoun abuse in schools, get rid of the drag shows until the underlying fire is doused.
Many old school lefties are seeing safety in republican methodology, abhorrent though the notion may be to you.
It is a fact:
Wise and highly intelligent people call the current period the most dangerous in the history of humanity and language.

More claims without any supporting evidence.

Not that we have any reason to expect anything else.

 

[Stacyhs]

False equivalence unfortunately.

How is it a false equivalency? Unless you can give plausible reasons as to why, your claim goes straight into the "fact pulled out of my nether regions" bin.

Suffice to say my position is that if drag shows encourage an authorizing of gender and pronoun abuse in schools, get rid of the drag shows until the underlying fire is doused.

That's a mighty big "if" there. Unless you can quote and cite evidence, not just someone's opinion, that drag shows "encourage an authorizing of gender and pronoun abuse in schools", then your position is unfounded on fact and it goes straight into the same bin as above.

Many old school lefties are seeing safety in republican methodology, abhorrent though the notion may be to you.

That bin is getting might full.

It is a fact:
Wise and highly intelligent people call the current period the most dangerous in the history of humanity and language.

If they are, which you have provided no evidence for, then they are neither wise nor highly intelligent people.

'Scuse me while I take the bin out. The '"facts pulled out of my nether regions" trash collection is coming today.