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Drag Shows!!

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Stacyhs said:
No. You don't get my point. It's not the ease with which women wear men's clothes and drag queens take more time and effort; it's that conservatives tend to equate drag queens with homosexuals and trans-gender which scares the hell out of them and don't with women wearing "men's" clothing.
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Well...of course not. A woman wearing a boyfriend shirt is not trying to pass themselves off as being of the opposite sex. A drag queen is. The level of commitment is what makes the far righters think that drag queens have...you know...fully embraced being a woman, which to the tightly rightys means being a catcher instead of a pitcher if you take my meaning. I get what they are thinking, even though I don't agree.
 
Thermal said:
I get your point; women wearing men's clothes is far more commonplace. But drag performers aren't tossing on a t-shirt and yoga pants. It's a full tilt time-consuming commitment to present as a woman. Exponentially more so than my wife throwing on one of my shirts for a beach coverup. I short, drag is not casual. It's a dedicated representation. That action takes real work.
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Inasmuch as any other theatrical costume takes real work, yes.
 
Thermal said:
Well...of course not. A woman wearing a boyfriend shirt is not trying to pass themselves off as being of the opposite sex. A drag queen is. The level of commitment is what makes the far righters think that drag queens have...you know...fully embraced being a woman, which to the tightly rightys means being a catcher instead of a pitcher if you take my meaning. I get what they are thinking, even though I don't agree.
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Oh, come on. A drag queen is dressing up as the opposite sex, not trying to pass himself off as BEING a woman. That's like claiming a person dressing up as a vampire on Halloween is really trying to pass himself off as a vampire.
 
Thermal said:
Well...of course not. A woman wearing a boyfriend shirt is not trying to pass themselves off as being of the opposite sex. A drag queen is.
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EEEeeeeeyyyyeeaaaahhhh not so much. I don't think very many drag queens frock up in order to fool people into thinking they're actually women. They frock up to put on a show.
 
Stacyhs said:
Oh, come on. A drag queen is dressing up as the opposite sex, not trying to pass himself off as BEING a woman. That's like claiming a person dressing up as a vampire on Halloween is really trying to pass himself off as a vampire.
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arthwollipot said:
EEEeeeeeyyyyeeaaaahhhh not so much. I don't think very many drag queens frock up in order to fool people into thinking they're actually women. They frock up to put on a show.
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Benny Hill frocked up to put on a show. RuPaul is living the life. I think the difference is real.
 
arthwollipot said:
If there is, then you're the weasel and I'm the monkey.
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Pop?

It's not a gotcha to reset from the beginning. I didn't ask "why" from the get-go,and you keep sagely pointing out that asking "why" is not going to work out well. Yes, I know. That's why I didn't ask it.
 
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arthwollipot said:
I'd hesitate to take RuPaul as being representative of anything other than his own fabulousness.
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Agreed. Still, we need some widely recognized examples to compare. If I started talking about Tammy Twos in Atlantic City, I think others would have a hard time conjuring up a mental image.
 
Stacyhs said:
Really? You know how RuPaul dresses when he's at home? Full wig, makeup, glam dress, high heels?
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I've actually seen interviews with him at home and on this Drag Race show, and like virtually all women, no he is not wearing full makeup and heels while watching Netflix. What odd questions you ask.
 
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arthwollipot said:
He's not a woman. He's a happily married man.
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Yeeeees....yes, that's right....of course I didn't say he was a woman...nor did anyone else...

ETA: a drag queen dresses like a woman. When StacyHS asked if he was in women's attire, I said that in the same way women don't lounge around the house in full makeup and heels, he wouldn't be expected to either.
 
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Darat said:
Not in my country, it has been targeted at children and families for all my life, my grandparents were "exposed" to drag when they were kids - so in the 1900s. "Female impersonators" have been mainstream for decades and decades.
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Same here. I have pointed out several times that I was introduced to drag by my very conservative working class great aunts though watching Danny la Rue on family oriented variety shows, including that hotbed of X rated sin - the Royal Variety Performance.

People growing up in the US in the 1960s would have been introduced to it on the Ed Sullivan show.
 
Thermal said:
A costume is something you wear. I think a drag queen is something you are.
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A Vampire: The Masquerade LARPer is something you are, but the guy doing the full Gary Oldman In London is still not trying to pass himself off as a vampire. He does not expect anyone to mistake him for a vampire and he does not think of himself as really being a vampire. He has a cool character with a whole built up narrative that he loves playing.

Stuff that is like drag that I enjoy? Burlesque, sure. Concept fashion runway stuff is great but lacks the character of somebody’s drag persona. OC cosplays come close but don’t have a well established venue for showcasing them the way you can play a character in a drag show. LARPs can get close too but are again difficult to passively enjoy like a show.
 
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