Of course, it's possible that dogs are actually psychic and only claim that they've got good ears so that they can avoid winning a million dollars, because who would want that?
And maybe standing on the roof makes humans psychic. We need to test this with as broad a variety of humans, roofing materials, and cars as possible!
Do you mean the Brooklyn Bridge? Fortunately it has no toll booths now, so it should be easy to put new ones in. Gosh darn, that is a big bridge, thanks!
I searched for - saskatchewan doctor dowsing - and found one.
Just the other day I found a well for a couple of skeptics who were fed up with their piped in water. I found the well by asking the rods if there was water on the property, the rods indicated a yes. I said ok then show me where it is, and the rods pointed to my left. I walked in a straight line until they crossed with a very strong movement. I could see that they were doubtful and I did not blame them one bit.
I told them that the rods could find anything and asked if they had a mains gas supply, they did, I said ok I will show you where the pipe line runs, I found it easy. I asked about the mains water, but before I could stop him he had pointed to where the pipe ran. I asked the rods to show me the water pipe expecting them to point me to where he had pointed but they pointed in the opposite direction. I showed him exactly where it was. It was of course a test to see if I was full of it
And yes you are quite right my hands do indeed move, but the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
It get's much weirder yet.
Saskmick seems to have found a new home.
Hopefully he'll be coming back to rub our noses in his newly found knowledge.
Re: How does the ideomotor effect debunk dowsing ?
by Mick » Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:40 am
Got it. Thanks very much.
PS, I just needed it to rub someones nose in it a the JREF forum. You should check out that forum, it's great fun.
Re: How does the ideomotor effect debunk dowsing ?
I remember a tv program on dowsing many decade ago in which dowsing rods where placed in the hands of celebrities. I remember an actress from Coronation Street - Amanda Barrie if memory serves - and the shock on her face when the rods reacted strongly in her hands. From that day I never doubted that dowsing is a real phenomenon.
If science wants to debunk dowsing it has to account for latent, untrained ability.
Re: How does the ideomotor effect debunk dowsing ?
Ray Hyman is a member of CSICOP an organsation that seeks to debunk the so-called "paranormal". He is entitled to his opinion (but I wouldn't give twopence for it).
Dowsers have known for a very long time (centuries!) that this kind of involuntary subconscious movement is untimately responsible for the movement of the rods. But really so what? It doesn't always respond in accordance with expectations, not if you're doing it right. The term "ideomotor effect" says nothing about the nature of consciousness or how the mind knows more than it should.
The only psychology textbooks in which you will find this term are those written by pseudoskeptics with an axe to grind against subjects like dowsing.
Ian
Let's hope that "ex-skeptic" Saskmick comes back to try to defend this position. It should be fun.
What a joke.
