Perhaps the defence should have got an expert witness statement from Darwin via Schwartz confirming his death-bed conversion?
Dover Penn ID trial
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Why don't they simply put God on the stand? Get the whole thing settled, once and for all?
Or find someone who speaks in tongues....handling snakes, too.
I'm surprised when Buckingham (?) took the stand and he started to swear "by Almighty God", there wasn't a rumble of thunder and a voice from above saying "You can leave me out of this!"
Mojo
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Not only is this case going on: next Tuesday we have also the vote by the Kansas Board of Education, and 8 of the 9 members of the Dover School Board are up for re-election: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/01/AR2005110100875.html
Huh? "Academic freedom?" Aren't they the ones who want teachers to read out a statement about ID against the objections of the teachers?
Upchurch
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Ooooh, I thought it was this Tuesday (i.e. yesterday). I was going to ask if anyone had heard the results. I'll go back to being patient.
delphi_ote
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Cherry-picking "ancient" science is one of their favorite games. Unfortunately, I haven't the time to keep up with all of this, but I hope you are right. The courts do present a good forum for unmasking pap, but, alas, an exceptionally poor forum to decide anything scientific. And, as much as I'd love to hear that last line from counsel, that would only get an immediate, sustained objection from opposing counsel.
Ooooh, I thought it was this Tuesday (i.e. yesterday). I was going to ask if anyone had heard the results. I'll go back to being patient.
Have you heard any of the back-story about the Dover board of ed? It is delightful, aggravating and very telling.
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Hey Bill, good to see you posting again.
Is there a summary of the back story somewhere?
~~ Paul
Is there a summary of the back story somewhere?
~~ Paul
Paul,
Chris Mooney covers it in his article in the premiere issue of Seed magazine. IIRC, he talks about the fundamentalist guy who launched the whole thing, then made such a mess that he had to high-tail it out of town. Considering he got the boot so badly, the court case is a sad joke.
For those who haven't yet seen it, Seed is newly re-launched. The premiere issue is graphically slick and well-written. I think it is a must-read for all skeptics. The magazine's credo tips you off: "Science is culture." This is what Discover (and others) might have been had it not been overrun by the irrational and the panderers.
Mojo
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I assume the article isn't online. Do you have the fundamentalist guy's name so we can Google him?
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I'm slowly getting caught up in the transcripts, and I caught this precious exchange early in the cross of Behe:
Man, I had to do Jury Duty last summer. I would have loved to be on this jury rather than the case I had. Comedy gold.
Man, I had to do Jury Duty last summer. I would have loved to be on this jury rather than the case I had. Comedy gold.
I tried earlier. Seed is online (www.seedmagazine.com), but seems to be members-only. I don't have my copy with me right now. Mooney has done some interviews, some of which are on line; maybe Googling him with "ID" or "evolution" might be fruitful?
Mojo
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Yeah, I've already tried all sorts of combinations. The nearest I've found is an article saying "the Dover school-board member who drove the policy in question made his conservative Christian motivations clear in widely reported public statements (which he now disputes having made)" which sounds an awful lot like Buckingham to me.
That sounds familiar. All to.
The trial is being (adjucated?) only by a judge, no jury. That's why ID has practically no chance
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The trial is being (adjucated?) only by a judge, no jury. That's why ID has practically no chance
Ack! That would be a really good point. I guess juries are sort of hard to get on when there's no jury, huh.
Fly on the ceiling, then?
I think we'll have to settle for transcripts for now
Which is why it's so irritating that some aren't fully readable. I tried using the exact software that generated it, I even downloaded a free trial of .pdf repair software. Nothing seemed up to the task of drawing out all the text.
So, what are the odds someone isn't properly setting the binary flag before using FTP?
Until someone more familiar with law gets here, you'll have to settle for me.
Juries are advised not to make any evaluation of evidence presented until the end of the trial and deliberations begin. I'm not so sure judges follow the same guideline. I would think the judge is very aware of exactly what aspects of the case need to be considered, and noted them as they came up.
It will take a little time for him to note the important pieces of evidence that he'll apply tests to and to write up his decision on each. I would say if the trial concludes today, the judge would have his notes together and be ready to rule next week, say Tuesday or Wednsday. A lesser case he might have ruled on late Monday, but given the likelyhood of appeal from both sides, I expect he'll try to be as complete as possible in his ruling.
Or maybe he'll be like Judge Judy, take a comercial break, then come right back with a verdict
