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Double Tree Video Released?

You can only see the highway, no Pentagon in the video. The wall I think is the Highway wall. You can see an underpass on the left, but no pentagon.

The lens is worthless too, we are only 600 yards from the Petagon impact, but the Highway is in the way.
 
I think you're right beachnut, that wall can't be the pentagon, because there's clearly something driving across the roof if it is. :\
 
trucks seen on roof of pentagon proof of inside on roof job. film at 11
 
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So this video equates to absolutely nothing, in terms of evidence.

So I guess my question is... why was this worthless black and white blurred **** secretly withheld from the American public for 5+ years, and would still be locked up in a DOJ filing cabinet were it not for the court order?

What about the other 80+ videos? Why is all this stuff locked up in secret if it shows dick all?

ETA: Especially when you realize that had these not been confiscated in the first place, or at the very least, immediately released after their content was verified by the FBI, the pentagon conspiracy theories would not have a leg to stand on.
 
I think you actually can see the aircraft...

On the myspace one, if you wait for the loop, note a "vehicle on the highway" that seems to reach The Pentagon right as the explosion happens. But then note the speed this vehicle is travelling at in comparison with the other vehicle on the highway at the same time.

I believe this faster vehicle is actually AA77, personally.

It's worth nothing this footage is far superior quality to the Pentagon gatehouse one - much higher frame rate. Obviously it's still garbage quality, but what did anyone expect? :p

-Gumboot

ETA. scratch that. The object appears to continue after it has reached the point where the explosion appears, so it must just be someone speeding on the highway... :p
 
Dazed said:
I think you're right beachnut, that wall can't be the pentagon, because there's clearly something driving across the roof if it is. :\
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This is correct.

I-395 is elevated in the area between the Pentagon and Doubletree. The "wall" in the Video is a mechanically stabilized earth wall, which supports I-395. The Pentagon is not visible.

When you drive southbound along this stretch of I-395 and look over to your right, you end up "looking down" upon the Pentagon.
 
Dazed said:
What about the other 80+ videos? Why is all this stuff locked up in secret if it shows dick all?
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It's only you that thinks it is "locked up in secret".

Governments do not usually release publicly evidence gathered in an investigation at all. In the US, there's the FOIA, but they still won't normally release anything unless someone SPECIFICALLY ASKS FOR IT.

Once that happens no doubt they still have to secure permission. Remember, this video DOES NOT BELONG TO THE US GOVERNMENT! As per US Case Law any evidence gathered for a criminal investigation remains the property of the private individual who owned it before it was confiscated.

-Gumboot
 
I wonder why the videos always get publicly released to Judicial Watch, when it is Scott Bingham's lawsuits which are actually forcing the releases of these videos?

http://flight77.info/
 
At a crime scene you collect all sorts of things that may or MAY NOT be of use to you. You cant take any chances. As to why they with held the tape, well prior to the Moussaoui trial, that was the reason. Then only FOIA requests sent after the trial was over would have been responded to. As to this, I believe an FBI agent reviewed all the tape, and in response to Flight77.infos request, told then that only 13 of the 85 tapes even showed the side of the pentagon in question, and of those, only the security tape previously released, showed any sign of the plane.

As to what benifit this tape it...not much, but it does show that before and after, there is no sign of a "fly over jet". Also, I wonder, if based on the initial motion of the fireball/smoke, could one work backward to calculate the flight path of the plane, to see if it corresponds to the south of Citgo versus the "earth shattering" north of citgo claims.

TAM

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1507751455
 
T.A.M. said:
Also, I wonder, if based on the initial motion of the fireball/smoke, could one work backward to calculate the flight path of the plane, to see if it corresponds to the south of Citgo versus the "earth shattering" north of citgo claims.

TAM
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I don't think that would be much use. Both flight paths are in a left-to-right screen direction.

-Gumboot
 
gumboot said:
It's only you that thinks it is "locked up in secret".
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"the govt admitted having 84 other recordings related flight 77, but since none of the 84 show the "impact", we had to file a second FOIA request for those recordings. that FOIA request was denied, and we've since filed an appeal."

http://flight77.info/old.htm

5 years later we get /2/ of those 84 videos. Sounds like they're locked up in secret to me.

ETA: And this is because the FBI was forced against their will by a court order to release them, and they still stalled past the date of Nov. 9th given by the court for the release.
 
ya i didnt think so, but some of these experts, with the right video, they can do almost anything.

TAM:)
 
Video was evindence for the idiot trial. This happens all the time. Be glad it was not your money or video locked up for a while, you could only sell it now! Private videos are owner property, wonder if anyone is about to make some money.

It proves the roads were busy and not sterile so it was not a covert Goverment job. Hundreds of witnesses saw the event.

Highway was busy!

So if you are CT inclined you now have proof it was a normal busy day, a lot of people were just hearing about the WTC, and then the Pentagon gets hit.

I was wondering how busy it was that day. It was busy, and I bet there are more witnesses than were interviewed.

This video proves the plane hit the Pentagon at a low angle, below 6 degrees. Not visible from this camera because the plane was below the obstuctions seen on the video.

I have listened to enough witnesses, and trust the people who discussed the events of that day. Those people in the Pentagon who saw the plane parts that moment, not planted parts, but first on scene people who saw plane parts in minute.

Any CT on the Pentagon and flight 77 are all nut cases, or those who are making money off the nut cases.
 
Dazed said:
I wonder why the videos always get publicly released to Judicial Watch, when it is Scott Bingham's lawsuits which are actually forcing the releases of these videos?

http://flight77.info/
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Judicial Watch also had a FOIA release, I believe. As, obviously, did CNN. They probably released them to everyone at once.

The writers of that website are false, however. The Doubleday footage is not the first confiscated footage relating to AA77 released through FOIA. Sounds like they're blowing their own trumpet.

-Gumboot
 
Moussaoui Trial Data/Exhibits were only released this year. All 85 tapes likely fell under the umbrella of "potential evidence in a criminal case" relating to his trial.

TAM
 
You're all missing the most important thing!!

My mate dylan avery posted this on his forum....



Now this clearly shows the shadow of the alien mothership in the top right corner....
 
T.A.M. said:
Moussaoui Trial Data/Exhibits were only released this year. All 85 tapes likely fell under the umbrella of "potential evidence in a criminal case" relating to his trial.

TAM
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I believe the problem is the FOIA request was for "video depicting the impact of AA77" or such thing. Since most of the footage wasn't even looking in the right direction, and since much of the rest didn't show the impact, they don't get all 80+.

A second request was for "all video confiscated" and I think it's reasonable that such a request was denied, personally. I still can't get over the whole FOIA thing in the first place. And yet it's AMERICANS who think they have an evil corrupt government. Un F-ing believable.

-Gumboot
 
Agreed, my point is just that, knowing that the videos are all more or less worthless, the FBI's refusal to release them without a struggle breeds conspiracy theories.
 
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