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Doing the least to save your life...

love said:
Although I may be coming from a very different viewpoint to you, and certainly had very different experiences, I am interested in what you think and feel. Maybe my interest is that I used to be a very angry person myself. And maybe also because I still feel some anger towards doctors.


Well, I would use all my healing tools, and attempt to determine the underlying cause of the disease. I would likely only use Revlimid as a last resort. I would bascially just do, whatever I felt to.

I do use homeopathy. Last time I had dental pain, for example, I treated myself using a homeopathic remedy. I guess I am just one of those 20%. Perhaps I am extra suggestible.


I think that's an exaggeration, and you know it. ;)


No, I'm just kind of curious, because my experience is so different to yours.


Please help me here. What does this stand for?


The Body Mirror System of Healing, for example. It helped cure a family member of scoliosis. There are many others. I could offer you a remote healing. As I am so far away, I am fairly sure you won't punch me in the face.


The condition, yes. But I am not sure you are open to being cured that way. You seem to have more faith in the miracles of modern medicine.

In the end, I believe people heal when they take responsibility for their own health.


Yes. It seemed very passionately argued.
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In that case let's skip straight to the point.

Name one properly blinded study showing homeopathy does anything at all above placebo.

Or would you like me to skip straight to the lancet article?
 
Dogdoctor said:
What people with cancer get better without using doctors? I imagine it would be those who don't have cancer but imagine they do so if they imagine they took something for their imaginary cancer they could imagine they got better and they would be better in their imagination if you can imagine that.
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Yes, that's basically how it works. You imagine yourself with the cancer and then imagine yourself getting better from it. Then you have to take all the steps that bring about the imagined result. If you believe it, it works.
 
love said:
Yes, that's basically how it works. You imagine yourself with the cancer and then imagine yourself getting better from it. Then you have to take all the steps that bring about the imagined result. If you believe it, it works.
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That's great. If you get cancer, let me know how that works out for you.
 
fowlsound said:
In that case let's skip straight to the point.

Name one properly blinded study showing homeopathy does anything at all above placebo.

Or would you like me to skip straight to the lancet article?
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Why does it matter if homeopathy is better than a placebo? Homeopathy is a very good placebo.


money said:
Yes, clearly employing multiple placebo effects is the future of medicine...

So if you were diagnosed with cancer, you would:

a.) take a bunch of Vitamin C

b.) pray like the dickens

c.) wear a healing crystal around your neck

d.) wear a copper bracelet while lying on a mattress filled with tiny magnets

e.) and gulp handfulls of sugarpills

f.) (insert other hokey bunch of jackalope crap here)


If so, well.... good luck with that.
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Yes, clearly two placebos are better than one. I don't know why more people don't do this.
 
'love',

Before you go any further, I'm going to politely suggest that all of your suggestions may require you to consider looking at the million dollar challenge page, so you can take a more proactive step about your beliefs and maybe make a difference in the way your homeopathy and other suggestions are viewed by putting it up to the test. Do that. I'm willing to cheer you on for taking that step.

Anything else that you may seem to think is so 'helpful' in terms of addressing Fowlsound's condition is going to cause you more grief than you probably deserve. Although I'm certain there's some people who would probably think otherwise about how much grief you deserve and I can well envision their reasoning for doing so.

Move away from this one. Seriously.
 
Oh - you seem to have trouble understanding the word 'placebo':

pla·ce·bo

1 a) A substance containing no medication and prescribed or given to reinforce a patient's expectation to get well.
b) An inactive substance or preparation used as a control in an experiment or test to determine the effectiveness of a medicinal drug.

2. Something of no intrinsic remedial value that is used to appease or reassure another.

From dictionary.com.

I particularly noticed 'definition 2'...


(edited to clarify what definition I was refering to)
 
love said:
Yes, that's basically how it works. You imagine yourself with the cancer and then imagine yourself getting better from it. Then you have to take all the steps that bring about the imagined result. If you believe it, it works.
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All the steps: like finding an expert team of oncologists, nurses, home care workers, rehab specialists, psychologists ets.

Having surgery/radiation/chemo as per the best standards of evidence-based medicine.

Obtaining the best symptom control available.

Managing stress and trying to maintain some sense of sanity in the midst of all the chaos.

Finally, waiting to hear the fabulous "all clear" from your health care workers

Yup...imagine it and then do it...sound advice, but somehow I think I may have misunderstood you.
 
love said:
I don't see the value of getting cancer simply to prove a point.
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You also apparently don't see the value in reading and fully comprehending the written word.

I'm going to echo Kiless' warning before I drop the gloves on this:

Move away from this one.
 
Love...let me echo Kiless. Walk away from this one. You are not merely wrong, but in this context you are offensively so. Start another thread on placebos if you like, I would be happy to join in there.

The whole point of a double blind study is to show the effectiveness of a treatment over and above placebo. FowlSound's treatments are, quite simple, a hell of a lot more effective than a thousand placebos.
 
How about you start a generic thread about homeopathy somewhere else, 'love'. That may be better. Then you can perhaps propose a general statement, only about a paragraph, so people can talk generally about the topic.

And of course, check out here: http://www.randi.org/research/faq.html
You might like to start reading some threads in the challenge forum about how people have thought about proposing homeopathy for the challenge.
 
fowlsound said:
You also apparently don't see the value in reading and fully comprehending the written word.

I'm going to echo Kiless' warning before I drop the gloves on this:

Move away from this one.
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Nor did she closely examine the x-rays of the spine, somehow I am not quite sure how a placebo would work on that kind of physical damage.

I would like to formally apologize for sending "love" over to this thread. I sincerely thought she/he would get a clue. But I was so terribly wrong. I am so sorry, and it seems she/he has absolutely no idea how hurtful her/his cluelessness is ... and now I am moving away from this one.

sorry
 
I have deemed posts 52 onwards to have 'abandoned all hope'. The thread may continue there as it has derailed from the original topic and resorted to flaming.
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If my posts are going to be removed, at least PM me and let me know.


Thanks.

ETA: Oh,sorry Kiless....apparently I walked in at the middle of the process....my apologies.
 
Due to technical difficulties, the moved threads can be found here, although pasted in my post. I apologise to all concerned for the odd formatting but every post has been maintained. Back on topic.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Kiless
 
I'm much more concerned about this new lesion in Fowlsound's arm. Where abouts in the arm, Fowlsound? How extensive? Do you know for sure it's myeloma again?

Rolfe.
 
If it were me, I'd be trying some of the more harmless alternative methods as well. Just in case. I can't see the harm in the imagination exercises.
 
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