Does the IDF target civilians?

[zenith-nadir]

ZN, if you're willing to kill civilians and innocent bystanders in order to get the bad guys, then you are effectively saying that the ends justify the means, and you are abdicating any claims of moral superiority relative to your enemies. They too don't shy away from killing civilians in order to achieve their ends.

No. Wrong.

What I am saying is this is. The combatants on the Palestinian side disguise themselves as noncombatants. When they strike inside Israel they also disguise themselves as noncombatants. The combatants on the Palestinian side hide amongst Palestinian noncombatants using noncombatant Palestinian buildings and civilian areas for cover and concealment. The Palestinian Authority makes no effort and takes no responsibility for separating the Palestinian combatants from the Palestinian noncombatants.

You say Israel targets civilians, I say the use of Palestinian noncombatants to shelter Palestinian combatants makes the Palestinian noncombatants the targets of retaliation. Big difference. Likewise it is extremely difficult for the IDF when you have a co-mingled population - that is, when you have gun-toting combatants dressed like, and mixed with, Palestinian noncombatants.

I know beyond any doubt in my mind that 99.95% of all Israelis would love to abdicate the responsibility to arrest, detain and even kill the combatants of Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades. I know it as a certainty. The Israelis would like the Palestinian Authority to take the responsibility to arrest, detain and kill the combatants of Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades...Per their obligations in the following agreements that they signed:

• Israel-PLO Recognition, September 9-10, 1993
• Israel-Palestinian Declaration of Principles, (Oslo 1) September 13, 1993
• Agreement on the Gaza Strip and the Jericho Area, May 4, 1994
• Agreement on the Preparatory Transfer of Powers and Responsibilities (Israel-PLO), August 29, 1994.
• Interim Agreement between Israel and the Palestinians, September 28, 1995
• Agreement on Temporary International Presence in Hebron, May 9, 1996
• Protocol Concerning the Redeployment in Hebron, January 17, 1997
• The Wye River Plantation Agreement (1998)
• The Sharm el Sheikh Agreement (1999)
• Palestinian-Israeli Security Implementation Work Plan (Tenet Plan) June 15 2001
• The Performance-Based Road Map to a Permanent Two-State Solution to the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict April 30, 2003

Unfortunately Orwell so far not one of those treaties the PA signed has convinced the PA to act on it's obligations.

I do not condone Palestinian noncombatant deaths, I merely have enough grey matter to realize why it happens. It is not because "the IDF target civilians" it is because the Palestinian combatants are allowed by the Palestinian Authority to disguise themselves and hide amongst Palestinian noncombatants.

If you are such a fanatic about Palestinian noncombatant deaths don't you ever ask yourself why the people responsible for protecting the Palestinian people - the Palestinian Authority - has never taken serious and tangible actions against the combatants?

Think about it for just a second then you can go back hating the IDF.., the Palestinian Authority knowingly allows Palestinian combatants to dress like, and hide amongst, Palestinian noncombatants. This inaction by the PA to stop combatants - per the several treaties above - results in Palestinian noncombatants being killed in combat on Palestinian streets. It's cruel and inhumane to allow your own people to be used by the combatants this way.

And frankly, to know beyond any doubt that Palestinian combatants are endangering the lives of Palestinian noncombatants and Israelis while doing nothing concrete about it shows gross negligence.

For instance:

Sept. 23, 2005 - http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/12721950.htm

A truck filled with masked militants and homemade weapons exploded at a Hamas rally Friday, killing at least 15 Palestinians and wounding 80 - including children - bringing a grisly and terrifying end to one of the last gatherings by armed groups celebrating Israel's Gaza pullout.

So what did Hamas say about it?

Hamas swiftly claimed Israeli aircraft had targeted the militants with a missile. "We will avenge the blood of our martyrs," said Nizar Rayan, a Hamas leader.

What did the Palestinian Authority do about it?

Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas, struggling to combat the chaos and the public display of arms in Gaza, wrested a pledge from militant groups to stop holding military-style parades with weapons after Saturday.

Nothing. The Palestinian Authority arrested no one for mass murder nor did they ban Hamas from operating in Gaza for mass murder. All Abbas did was to "wrest a pledge from militant groups to stop holding military-style parades".

Welcome to Israel's decades-old dilemma.

 

[Jocko]

http://hrw.org/reports/1996/Israel.htm

Why not include the citation, Orwell?

18 A senior IDF commander, Maj.-Gen. Me'ir Dagan, declared that "Katyushas are easy to conceal and launch, and hard to detect, thus necessitating an ongoing operation to damage the Hizballah infrastructure which would then have a deterrent effect on the organization's willingness to fire Katyushas at Israeli settlements." "IDF Deputy Operations Branch Head on Lebanon," Educational Television Network, July 26, 1993, in FBIS-NES-93-141, July 26, 1993, p. 29.

Gee, sounds reasonable to me. Amazing what happens when you include context. What's really funny is that you accuse others of not reading your links.

 

[zenith-nadir]

Gee, sounds reasonable to me.

Many things sound reasonable when you put them in context. For instance much has been made about Israeli checkpoints, how it humiliates Palestinians, hurts their economy and is a form of collective punishment.

When put into context the necessity for Israeli checkpoints was created by the Palestinian combatants - who the PA refuses to stop.

On Wednesday, soldiers caught a 16-year-old Palestinian boy wearing a suicide bomb belt at a busy checkpoint in the West Bank.

25 Mar 2004 - http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/03/24/world/hamas20040324

A 14 year old Palestinian boy was arrested at the Hawara checkpoint from the city of Nablus, this Sunday. Authorities say he was carrying a belt which contained two pipe bombs and a lighter, which he planned to use on the checkpoint.

May 24, 2005 - http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/2233897244

A woman on a suicide bombing mission who was caught at an Israeli checkpoint had 20lbs of high explosives hidden in her underwear.

June 22, 2005 - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...22.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/06/22/ixnewstop.html

Those are just some recent examples. By pursuing a violent terror campaign against Israeli civilians, the Palestinian combatants - which the Palestinian Authority refuses to disarm - have forced Israel to set up barriers to make it as difficult as possible for combatants to enter Israel or to travel through the territories. This causes great hardships for noncombatant Palestinians, but what should Israel do if the Palestinian Authority refuses to act against Palestinian combatants?

Ironically when I cross the border in the US there are checkpoints to prevent people from illegally entering the US. I could sit there for an hour, even two hours sometimes crossing by car into Canada or Mexico. I can go to any airport in the world and pass through several checkpoints before I ever reach my plane. Sometimes I spend a good hour in line waiting for my turn at the customs checkpoint. Yet the argument is rarely made that those checkpoints "humiliate" people or are a form of collective punishment.

Now put the word "israeli" in front of the word checkpoint and it's a whole new ball game...

 

[Cleopatra]

[sarcasm]Palestinian suicide bomber: we are targeting this Israeli bus. The target is the bus, not the civilians inside the bus. It is the bus that is being targeted, not the people inside the bus. The fact that we are going to target the bus in a place and time where the bus will be filled with innocent bystanders is just an accident of circumstances, collateral damage, if you will. Can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs. [/sarcasm]

As an Israeli citizen, I have to tell you that I feel deeply hurt by this comment.
The target of the Islamists is not the bus as you ironically suggest,ignoring the pain that such targets cause for our people, the target is the Israeli civilians that are used to blackmail the Israeli governments.

You have to demonstrate Orwell that soliders of IDF take orders to hit civilian targets.

This is exactly what you have been claiming in this thread. You have to prove that somebody in the Israeli Army or government gives orders to soldiers to kill civilians.

I have served in the Air Force, in airports' security and nobody,ever, gave me orders to kill a civilian of any origin. We had explicit orders to refrain from any use of violence exactly because we were warned that " the world was starring at us". Two fellow soldiers were killed in an ambush in Hebron exactly because they were afraid to use their guns.That ambush in Hebron changed my life for ever. I realised that regardless education and social background,you can turn into an animal into seconds and yet most of us didn't just because we were afraid to use our guns and kill another human being.

So, to make a long story short.

I call BS on you. You'd better prove your claims and prove them fast.

 

[a_unique_person]

You have to demonstrate Orwell that soliders of IDF take orders to hit civilian targets.

This is exactly what you have been claiming in this thread. You have to prove that somebody in the Israeli Army or government gives orders to soldiers to kill civilians.

But what if the IDF is not acting on cases where soldiers are not following the rules of engagement? If the soldiers are not disciplined, then the IDF is condoning what they are doing.

 

[Jocko]

But what if ....

But what if we give those goalposts a rest already? In case you haven't noticed, semantics are already under a great deal of strain already. What do you have to say about the topic at hand?

 

[a_unique_person]

http://www.aad-online.org/2005///English/8-August/13-18/15-8/2.htm

The Haaretz link no longer works, so this is the first link on Google with the same story. I make no comment on the site, the story is the story that Haaretz carried.

Israel Defense Forces Chief of Staff Dan Halutz yesterday approved the promotion of a senior officer who was reprimanded recently for his role in an incident in which a Palestinian teenager was killed near the town of Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip some two years ago.
Lieutenant Colonel Adam Zussman, who is currently serving as a battalion commander, will be appointed as a brigade commander in the Southern Command and has been promoted to the rank of colonel. Two years ago, Lieutenant Colonel Zussman authorized a company that had just ended its basic training to hold a “battalion welcome march” in the southern Gaza Strip area.
During their march, the troops passed by an IDF outpost in the settlement of Morag, bordering with the Palestinian towns of Rafah and Khan Yunis, from where fire exchanges were common between the sides.
Zussman allowed the troops to open “deterring fire” in the direction of nearby Palestinian homes. Palestinians later reported that a 15-year-old boy was killed in the area. Military Police failed to link the company's fire to the death of the Palestinian youth because, among other reasons, the Palestinians gave conflicting, and probably erroneous, reports on the time of his death. The incident nevertheless raised sharp criticism in the IDF because the “deterring fire” consisted of hundreds of rounds and because the march exposed the troops to unnecessary danger.
Two weeks ago, Zussman appeared before a disciplinary tribunal on the recommendation of the Military Advocate General's Office. He was charged with unlawful use of arms and was given a severe reprimand, but the court recommended not to hold back his promotion

He gets a severe reprimand, and a promotion.


A senior officer in the IDF orders trainees to open fire indiscriminately in the direction of civilian dwellings.

 

[WildCat]

Orwell, you overplayed your hand. Please acknowledge it and move on. There's no point in you proving over and over again that civilians die, and pretending that others can't see the difference between targeted and collateral damage.

Orwell has still won, didn't you notice? He just re-defined what the word "targeted" means. Just because his definition differs from the denotation doesn't phase him at all. He's on a mission!

We can, and I'm sure you can too.

He can, but won't. Pride goeth before a fall, as they say.

 

[Orwell]

Except it's the other way around. The target is the people inside the bus, the bus itself is not the target. If it were, it would be easy to just set it on fire, along with a bunch of other busses, back at the bus yard when it's parked for the night.

When you have to create alternate definitions for words to make your point, all you do is demonstrate extreme narrow mindedness that can't be touched by any new information or rational debate. I guess it's probably satisfying from your point of view, but it's not exactly honest.

Unsurprisingly, you missed the point.
If a Palestinian terrorist said those things to justify attacks on a bus, I would (and, I'm sure you would to) find it unacceptable, a load of equine manure, basically. The same kind of argument coming from the IDF is equally unacceptable to me. It should be to you too, but I know that you don't attribute the same value to arab lives as you do to israeli lives. 'Cause, you know, you're a partisan hack.

[sarcasm]Israeli military commander: we are targeting these Katyusha rockets launchers. The target is the rocket launchers, not the civilians inside the vicinity of the rocket launchers. It is the rocket launchers that are being targeted, not the people in the village near the rocket launchers. The fact that we are going to target the rocket launchers in a place and time where the village square will be filled with innocent bystanders is just an accident of circumstances, collateral damage, if you will. Can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs.[/sarcasm]

 

[WildCat]

Unsurprisingly, you missed the point.
If a Palestinian terrorist said those things to justify attacks on a bus, I would (and, I'm sure you would to) find it unacceptable, a load of equine manure, basically. The same kind of argument coming from the IDF is equally unacceptable to me. It should be to you too, but I know that you don't attribute the same value to arab lives as you do to israeli lives. 'Cause, you know, you're a partisan hack.

Except that no Palestinian terrorist has ever even pretended the target was the bus, and the bus has no value from a military point of view at all.

[sarcasm]Israeli military commander: we are targeting these Katyusha rockets launchers. The target is the rocket launchers, not the civilians inside the vicinity of the rocket launchers. It is the rocket launchers that are being targeted, not the people in the village near the rocket launchers. The fact that we are going to target the rocket launchers in a place and time where the village square will be filled with innocent bystanders is just an accident of circumstances, collateral damage, if you will. Can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs.[/sarcasm]

Maybe you didn't notice, but it's a war. Rocket launchers are military targets, no question about that.

Tell me, Orwell: You're walking down your street and notice a few masked men setting up a rocket launcher. Do you:

1) Get the hell out of there
-OR-
2) Crowd around giving thanks to god

And which option is more likely to get you killed?

 

[webfusion]

Some random stories; maybe off the topic?

IDF Corporal David Markovich targeted and killed four Arabs on Monday in the North during a combat operation.
"This was excellent soldiering," his commander said. "If you had checked his magazine after the firing, you would have found that only perhaps eight bullets were missing."

==================================
According to reports from the scene of still currently ongoing combat operations, IDF soldiers evacuated earlier today a Palestinian mother and her two-year-old child from a house near the scene of a continuing gunfight, after the boy had a severe asthma attack.
The Palestinian governor of the Jenin district asked the Israeli civil authority to allow the transfer of the mother and the child. As they were taken from the house, IDF soldiers held their fire while a Red Crescent ambulance arrived to take the child to the hospital.

=========================
What's up with this next report? How come there weren't any dead Palestinian kids? I just don't understand... there should have been some of them shot, as it is obvious from what we hear from Orwell that the IDF is aiming to kill.

About 200 children and 10 teachers began protesting at the IDF checkpoint at 7 a.m. ... dozens tried to burst through the checkpoint, but soldiers shoved them back.
No injuries were reported.

Go figure...

 

[Orwell]

As an Israeli citizen, I have to tell you that I feel deeply hurt by this comment.
The target of the Islamists is not the bus as you ironically suggest,ignoring the pain that such targets cause for our people, the target is the Israeli civilians that are used to blackmail the Israeli governments.

You have to demonstrate Orwell that soliders of IDF take orders to hit civilian targets.

This is exactly what you have been claiming in this thread. You have to prove that somebody in the Israeli Army or government gives orders to soldiers to kill civilians.

I have served in the Air Force, in airports' security and nobody,ever, gave me orders to kill a civilian of any origin. We had explicit orders to refrain from any use of violence exactly because we were warned that " the world was starring at us". Two fellow soldiers were killed in an ambush in Hebron exactly because they were afraid to use their guns.That ambush in Hebron changed my life for ever. I realised that regardless education and social background,you can turn into an animal into seconds and yet most of us didn't just because we were afraid to use our guns and kill another human being.

So, to make a long story short.

I call BS on you. You'd better prove your claims and prove them fast.

Or what Cleo? You're going to spank me or something?
Anyway, read the links, in particular posts 11, 12, 25, 48, 86 and 99. Keep in mind that if IDF commanders are giving orders to shoot civilians or encouraging soldiers to be careless about civilians, there won't be any paper trail.

 

[Orwell]

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2002/israel2/israel0402-02.htm#P107_9709

From October 24, 2001 to March 31, 2002, the IDF raided more than thirty Palestinian villages, towns, and refugee camps to arrest "wanted" Palestinians. The raids continued as this report went to press. Israel stated that the targets of these raids were persons alleged by the Israeli authorities to have planned or participated in attacks against Israeli military targets or against Israeli civilians.7 The majority of arrest raids took place in West Bank villages isolated by geography or by roadblocks and travel prohibitions imposed under the policy of strict internal closure instituted by the Israeli authorities in September 2000. [...] The doors at which the IDF knocked were generally not those of the "wanted" Palestinians. Instead, the IDF chose others, usually neighbors or relatives of "wanted" individuals, and ordered them, often at gunpoint, to bring those persons to the Israeli forces. In each of the four case studies investigated by Human Rights Watch, the IDF compelled civilians with threats and intimidation to identify the houses of individuals "wanted" for questioning or arrest, and to walk with IDF soldiers, sometimes during live fire exchanges, to knock at the doors of those houses and ask the inhabitants to open the door and come out. The IDF coerced some into providing information about the families of "wanted" Palestinians, exposing those individuals to the potentially lethal accusation of acting as a "collaborator."9 Others were not just coerced and threatened, but also beaten.

 

[webfusion]

Orwell likes this thread, it offers him a virtually endless opportunity to post how the IDF operates in wartime, keeping casualties of its own men to a minimum, while ensuring the protection of Israeli citizens from wanton attacks by terrorists hell-bent on perpetrating various atrocities, and all the while, I have yet to see him bring forward ONE example of the IDF targetting civilians for 'sport', for political advantage, or for any other reason.

It's wild, but he actually believes that "coercion and threatening (and beatings)" are the equivalent of targetting innocent civilians for death.

(BTW, the Israeli Supreme Court has passed judgement that ended the practice of bringing those neighbors along into the IDF arrest missions for the purpose of eliminating live fire from the holed-up terrorists. Result? IDF casualties, more terrorists killed rather than arrested. Gunbattles rage for hours, and everyone around is in danger, from the crossfire, as we have seen in Jenin during the past twenty-four hours.)
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/649120.html

• A senior Islamic Jihad militant, thought to be responsible for the October 26 bombing that killed six Israelis in a Hadera market, turned himself in to the Israel Defense Forces in the West Bank city of Jenin before dawn on Thursday, Israel Radio reported.
  IDF troops arrested the militant along with two other wanted men during a predawn operation surrounding a number of houses in Jenin in which Palestinian militants have barricaded themselves in recent days.
  The wanted militant turned himself in to IDF forces after an exchange of fire erupted between troops and the Palestinians barricaded inside the building.

If, in fact, the IDF implements a policy of shooting to kill, (let's leave aside the entire civilian part of the equation and just focus on the "shoot to kill" element), can someone please explain why this top Islamic Jihad SOB didn't receive a few bullets right there and then?

I am leaving Orwell off 'ignore' for a little while to see his twists and turns continue, it's quite fun to watch, really.

 

[Jocko]

Or what Cleo? You're going to spank me or something?

You should be so lucky.

Keep in mind that if IDF commanders are giving orders to shoot civilians or encouraging soldiers to be careless about civilians, there won't be any paper trail.

So... your complete lack of evidence is, in fact, evidence?

Please, Orwell, stop digging. This is getting embarrassing to watch. No one is claiming the IDF is perfect, no one is claiming that civilians don't sometimes die from IDF bullets. You're thrashing straw men left and right, tossed the dictionary into a woodchipper, and still you're no closer to proving that the IDF "deliberately targets" civilians.

 

[webfusion]

Lets go to the videotapes:

In particular, Post 11 (The Physicians, Nov 2000)
"PHR calls on the Palestinian Authority to make public its rules of engagement, and to adhere to international standards regarding the use of force. PHR calls on the Palestinian Authority to investigate and bring to justice all perpetrators of illegal use of force."
Totally 100% Ignored.


Next, Post 12 (The IDF Tank vs Dr Samer al-Ahmad, July 2002)
In Jenin, the IDF was engaged in battle operations of a massive scale unseen since the Six Day War 1967, and tanks were deployed under orders to stop anything that moves -- especially the car of the good doctor as clearly seen in the video being driven at a high rate of speed. His car was the target.
What was that tank doing in Jenin, anyway? Was it shooting in all directions, targetting civilians in all directions, raking the streets with .050 rounds and shells, bringing the entire weight of its deadly capabilities upon the citizenry of Jenin? Actually, even in this tragic incident, the IDF apologized and recognized an operational mistake had been made.
The tank was chasing a car that was breaking curfew. Watch the tape.

Next, Post 25 (Killing the Medics, March 2002)
Seems very bizarre, IDF shooting at marked Red Crescent vehicles. Why did they do that? Was there any valid reason to be firing at Palestinian medical teams who should be allowed to pass freely, even within a hot-war zone? Aren't you a bit curious? Here's the answer:
March 28, 2002
An Islamic suicide bomber killed 16 Jews and wounded at least 90 as they prepared to celebrate the start of Passover at The Park hotel in Netanya.
Israelis had been braced for a suicide bombing, with police leave cancelled and members of the security forces told to keep their weapons with them as they went to synagogues.
The army had earlier stopped a Palestinian ambulance in the West Bank with a suicide bomber's belt and 22lb of explosives hidden under a stretcher.

So, the IDF was interested in stopping and searching all Red Crescent ambulances, as a matter of national security, and when some drivers of those vehicles declined to obey IDF troops' direct signals to stop, there was probable cause for the soldiers to open fire, especially under the circumstances.

This all doesn't get any mention in the B'tselem report, as I read it, as directed by Orwell to do.

And then, Posts #48, 86 and 99.
"On the loudspeaker (the Palestinian residents) were warned to get out before I came in." -- quoted from the bulldozer operator who went ahead and crushed the houses to dust. Advance warning, such as it was, is evidence of NOT targetting civilans for death.

"The Human Rights organization also called upon Hizballah to refrain from carrying out indiscriminate attacks on Israeli civilians in Qiryat Shemona and other communities in northern Israel." -- 1999.
Ignored, 100% totally.
Just this week the Hizballah proved they are incapable of leaving Israel in peace, even across an Internationally recognized border.
And Israel basically took the attack in stride, and did not make a big deal of it, and didn't retaliate against the civilian population of Southern Lebanon, out of respect and concern for these innocent people.

Previously, in Operation Accountability 1996 (as the name suggests, to convince the Lebanese to hold the Hizbullah accountable for their unprovoked, ruthless and wanton attacks into Israeli civilian centers) ---
"120 Lebanese civilans were killed...and conservative damage estimates suggested that some 1,000 houses had been totally destroyed, 1,500 houses had been partially destroyed, and 15,000 houses had sustained light damage. Israeli forces cut civilian water and electricity supplies, damaged schools, mosques and churches, and targeted a number of cemeteries with shell fire."

Total War Zone. Israel is not obligated to sit still and absorb Syrian-supported, Iran-assisted terror. It is not required to sit still while Katyusha or Qassem or SCUD ballistic missiles rain down upon Tel Aviv, or Sderot, or Kiryat Shmona.
Or while AlQueda monsters attempt to get an ElAl passenger airliner into the sights of a Stinger ground-to-air launcher.

Screw that. Screw them, and screw the civilians who think they can go out to the streets of gaza, or ramallah or damascus or beirut and cheer the terrorists as heros, with no penalties or deterrance facing them from any quarter.

 

[Orwell]

Screw that. Screw them, and screw the civilians who think they can go out to the streets of gaza, or ramallah or damascus or beirut and cheer the terrorists as heros, with no penalties or deterrance facing them from any quarter.

Ah some genuine unabashed real feeling at last! I wish others around there here parts were as honest about their feelings towards Palestinians and Arabs as you are, it would make life much easier.

 

[Orwell]

You should be so lucky.



So... your complete lack of evidence is, in fact, evidence?

Please, Orwell, stop digging. This is getting embarrassing to watch. No one is claiming the IDF is perfect, no one is claiming that civilians don't sometimes die from IDF bullets. You're thrashing straw men left and right, tossed the dictionary into a woodchipper, and still you're no closer to proving that the IDF "deliberately targets" civilians.

Just watch me now!

An example of what the Israeli human rights group B'Tselem calls an Israeli army investigative whitewash is the case of Khalil al-Mughrabi.

The 11-year-old was playing soccer with a group of children in the Gaza Strip town of Rafah on July 7, 2001, when a burst of gunfire hit him in the head, killing him and wounding two of his friends, aged 10 and 12.

A military spokesperson gave this description of the incident: "Dozens of Palestinians rioted . . . and endangered soldiers' lives. The soldiers acted with restraint and control, and dispersed the rioters by using means for dispersing demonstrations, and by live gunfire into an open area distant from the rioters."

Khalil happened to be in the open area. Witnesses cited by B'Tselem said the children finished playing around 6:45 p.m. that day and sat down next to or on mounds of sand near the fence that marks the Gaza Strip's border with Egypt.

At 7:10 p.m. or so, Khalil was shot in the head. According to the children, the shots came from an Israeli military observation tower about one kilometer away. The firing continued, striking two other children.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0916-03.htm

 

[Orwell]

Soldiers beat Muhammad Qashu'a, age 88, in his olive orchard near ‘Illar Village, March 2005

 

[Orwell]

IDF soldiers shoot and kill Husni Daraghmeh after he he followed their orders and raised his hands in the air, April 2004