Does qualitative change come down to quantitative change ?

[wise47]

1. Logistic development


Logistic development (see diagram and for example my text Sociological theory) can explain a difference between a qualitative change and quantitative change. It shows that each kind of so called qualitative change, like for example liquefaction of gas, is just some form of quantitative change. Marxists are using conception of change where quantitative changes transform to qualitative change. But this idea is containing fundamental mistake that there is a difference between qualitative and quantitative change.

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Gregory Podgorniak, Poland


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[Beelzebuddy]

Do tell us more about these Marxists, I find their ideas tremendously fascinating and would like to subscribe to their newsletter.

 

[theprestige]

1. Logistic development


Logistic development (see diagram and for example my text Sociological theory) can explain a difference between a qualitative change and quantitative change. It shows that each kind of so called qualitative change, like for example liquefaction of gas, is just some form of quantitative change. Marxists are using conception of change where quantitative changes transform to qualitative change. But this idea is containing fundamental mistake that there is a difference between qualitative and quantitative change.

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snipped for rule 4. The material is linked below.

Gregory Podgorniak, Poland


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"Logistic development" doesn't mean what you think it means. The English term you're looking for may be "logarithmic development".

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[wise47]

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[ahhell]

That's what a phisher would say isn't it!

 

[Myriad]

"Logistic development" doesn't mean what you think it means. The English term you're looking for may be "logarithmic development".

I think he means "development characterized by the curve (sigmoid) produced by the logistic equation" which appears correct in context.

However, the logistic curve does not describe phase changes ("qualitative changes" in physical properties), and it does not (contrary to what is depicted) have an unbounded first derivative at or near the center. So it does not appear to support the thesis that qualitative changes are equivalent to rapid quantitative changes.

 

[Norman Alexander]

These Marxists... Groucho or Harpo?

 

[junkshop]

These Marxists... Groucho or Harpo?

Richard.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Richard.

Ba dum tish!

 

[wise47]

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What I would like to emphasize is each so called qualitative change, for example the transition of water into ice, or steam into water, is actually a cumulative quantitative change; that is, a quantitative change taking place quickly over a short period of time. So there are no qualitative changes, only quantitative ones (the above part of this paragraph is from year 2008).
The second law of Marx's dialectics is the law of the transformation of quantity into quality. If, for example, we gradually heat water by one degree, at some point it will turn into steam, and this is a qualitative, not quantitative, change. As my analysis shows, this law is incorrect. In fact, this transformation of water into steam is also a quantitative change, only a very rapid one, occurring suddenly through a quantitative leap. Let's look again at diagram 1 (the above part of this paragraph is from year 2025).

 

[theprestige]

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What I would like to emphasize is each so called qualitative change, for example the transition of water into ice, or steam into water, is actually a cumulative quantitative change; that is, a quantitative change taking place quickly over a short period of time. So there are no qualitative changes, only quantitative ones (the above part of this paragraph is from year 2008).
The second law of Marx's dialectics is the law of the transformation of quantity into quality. If, for example, we gradually heat water by one degree, at some point it will turn into steam, and this is a qualitative, not quantitative, change. As my analysis shows, this law is incorrect. In fact, this transformation of water into steam is also a quantitative change, only a very rapid one, occurring suddenly through a quantitative leap. Let's look again at diagram 1 (the above part of this paragraph is from year 2025).

What quantity is changing, when liquid water turns to steam?

 

[wise47]

Marx was wrong about qualitative change, just as he was wrong about social issues.

 

[8enotto]

How do we equate boiling water to social issues in a sensible manner?
Do Marxists drink tea also?

 

[theprestige]

Marx was wrong about qualitative change, just as he was wrong about social issues.

What quantity is changing, when liquid water turns to steam?

 

[wise47]

What quantity is changing, when liquid water turns to steam?

A certain quantity of water turns into a certain quantity of steam.

 

[theprestige]

A certain quantity of water turns into a certain quantity of steam.

Water is a molecule with a liquid state and a gas state. A certain quantity of liquid water turns into an equivalent quantity of water vapor. The quality changes, while the quantity remains the same.

The quantity of water does not change, only its quality - liquid or gas.

 

[wise47]

Water is a molecule with a liquid state and a gas state. A certain quantity of liquid water turns into an equivalent quantity of water vapor. The quality changes, while the quantity remains the same.

The quantity of water does not change, only its quality - liquid or gas.

Only the state changes, not the quality, and this is called a quantitative change when one quantity changes into another. In the case of water changing into steam, for example, we have a change in the quantity of energy, but this is not the only change in quantity.

 

[theprestige]

Only the state changes, not the quality, and this is called a quantitative change when one quantity changes into another. In the case of water changing into steam, for example, we have a change in the quantity of energy, but this is not the only change in quantity.

State is a quality. State changes are quality changes, not quantity changes.

 

[Norman Alexander]

continuation of text:

What I would like to emphasize is each so called qualitative change, for example the transition of water into ice, or steam into water, is actually a cumulative quantitative change; that is, a quantitative change taking place quickly over a short period of time. So there are no qualitative changes, only quantitative ones (the above part of this paragraph is from year 2008).
The second law of Marx's dialectics is the law of the transformation of quantity into quality. If, for example, we gradually heat water by one degree, at some point it will turn into steam, and this is a qualitative, not quantitative, change. As my analysis shows, this law is incorrect. In fact, this transformation of water into steam is also a quantitative change, only a very rapid one, occurring suddenly through a quantitative leap. Let's look again at diagram 1 (the above part of this paragraph is from year 2025).

And you would be wrong. There is no change in the number of molecules of water involved in these phase changes. This is basic stuff. Also, it has no bearing on Marxism whatever.

 

[wise47]

State is a quality. State changes are quality changes, not quantity changes.

'state' it is: 'the particular condition that someone or something is in at a specific time.' not a quality. Furthermore, every state can be characterized quantitatively, which is how it becomes, as it were, a quantity.