Ed Does eating fruit and vegetables off season destroy electron balance?

[therival58]

Has anyone read in depth the work of neurosurgeon Jack Kruse? He postulates that since mitochondria break down food through electron chain transport, when you eat a food that is off season, it messes up the balance of electrons in your body, that then mess up your charge to absorb vitamin D from the sun. Hence, leading to disease. Or something along those lines, Kruse cites a lot of scientific jargon, and it's hard to keep up with it all.
https://jackkruse.com/my-top-ten-paleo-fx-moments/

For example:

@PHD Thanks for the back handed compliment. I will take it in a good light. I might also point out that you use written words better than those used to speak with. I would think if one had nothing fully positive to say about the speech you would just leave it unsaid. I guess my sensibilities are just quite different than yours. You and Emily Deans think there is no biologic consequence for eating bananas in winter. I know there is and since you too can affect young peoples choices I have a duty to speak up. It is proven that there are no safe starches in winter because of the neural wiring of the brain.

Just because you can eat a banana does not mean you ought to eat it. Moreover, many younger Paleo’s are now aware of this distinction I am making in our approaches now. They also can test it for it too with our taking your or her word for it. Just because you both “feel fine” eating the banana, does not mean it’s fine for your telomeres or longevity. Biology has a way of accounting for these errors of reductive thinking and soon you will see this too. Hopefully for your own sake it wont be before something happens to you both. This movement needs its people healthy and not snarky. I did not make the neural pathways. Mother Nature did. I merely shined light on something both of you have never realized.

And

https://forum.jackkruse.com/index.php?threads/seasonal-eating-restrictions.9690/page-2

I have two questions about electrons, sorry if they were earlyer...
1. If the fruits on tropic area are electron-poor by design, than why is avocado so fatty?
2. If we need to collect as many electrons as we can, than is it possible to do a special artifical battery or electron feeder for human with DC current to gain energy? I know it sounds crazy but maybe you have the answer...

1. Avocado's are vestiges. Read the work of renowned ecologists Dan Janzen and Paul Martin. In 1982 they published a provocative paper arguing that many of the fruits and nuts found in Central American forests today evolved to be eaten by animals that have been extinct for thousands of years. There was a recent book written on this paper talking about the unusual evolution of papayas, persimmons, ginkgo biloba, and coffee.

They are foods from a different timescale for life. Since fruits propagate by seeds, their progeny doesn’t grow far from the tree, as the proverb goes; their only chance of spreading their seeds across the land, then, are the animals who eat the fruit, along with its seeds, then “plant” those elsewhere when they poop.

The avocado’s abnormally giant seed presents anything from a severe digestive hazard to a death sentence for contemporary earthly species but, apparently, avocados coevolved with ground sloths and were originally eaten by gomphothere — elephant-like creatures that lived during the Miocene and Pliocene, between 12 million and 1.6 million years ago, who happily reaped the fruit with their hefty trunks, crunched them with their massive teeth, and passed the seeds comfortably through their oversized digestive tract. The Younger Dryas took out these animals about 100,000 years ago. Avocado's are there leftovers.

2. Yes it is possible but we have not developed the how to yet.

 

[Hellbound]

Yeah that's...not even wrong.

If a food was "electron-poor" then it would, by definition, have a positive electrical charge. No way around that.

Besides, your body doesn't use electrons as electrons. Your "neural wiring" uses postive and negative ions, notably Na+, K+, Ca²⁺, Mg²⁺, Cl-, HPO₄^2-, and HCO₃-.

This is woo of the highest order.

 

[ahhell]

Yeah that's...not even wrong.

Yep.

 

[theprestige]

Dang. From the thread title, I was expecting an article about why out-of-season tomatoes is how we got Trump.

 

[Dr. Keith]

Dang. From the thread title, I was expecting an article about why out-of-season tomatoes is how we got Trump.

Thank god, I'm not the only one.

 

[xjx388]

Dang. From the thread title, I was expecting an article about why out-of-season tomatoes is how we got Trump.

We are only just beginning to understand the ramifications of consuming electron-poor plants, but thanks to the pioneering work of this medical expert, we will soon have all the answers.

Just another example of how we should always listen to experts because they are experts and not worry too much about the methods they use to arrive at their expert opinion.









(This post was sarcastic in case that wasn’t clear)

 

[Orphia Nay]

Sounds like Paleo woo and Appeal to Nature fallacies.

 

[therival58]

Yeah that's...not even wrong.

If a food was "electron-poor" then it would, by definition, have a positive electrical charge. No way around that.

Besides, your body doesn't use electrons as electrons. Your "neural wiring" uses postive and negative ions, notably Na+, K+, Ca²⁺, Mg²⁺, Cl-, HPO₄^2-, and HCO₃-.

This is woo of the highest order.

So I was doing some reading on Wikipedia for electron chain transport and it's still difficult for me to process in relation to food.

Electron transport chains are used for extracting energy via redox reactions from sunlight in photosynthesis or, such as in the case of the oxidation of sugars, cellular respiration. In eukaryotes, an important electron transport chain is found in the inner mitochondrial membrane where it serves as the site of oxidative phosphorylation through the action of ATP synthase. It is also found in the thylakoid membrane of the chloroplast in photosynthetic eukaryotes.

ATP synthase is an enzyme that creates the energy storage molecule adenosine triphosphate (ATP). ATP is the most commonly used "energy currency" of cells for all organisms. It is formed from adenosine diphosphate (ADP) and inorganic phosphate (Pi). ATP synthase is:

 

[8enotto]

So what about the tropics where fruits and veggies grow all year?

Did he only consider four seasons climates?

If tomato's are out of season in the US does that still make tomatoes from Mexico ( fresh and in season ) poison north of the Rio Bravo?

So much more research required....

 

[Orphia Nay]

So what about the tropics where fruits and veggies grow all year?

Did he only consider four seasons climates?

If tomato's are out of season in the US does that still make tomatoes from Mexico ( fresh and in season ) poison north of the Rio Bravo?

So much more research required....

Yep.

And Northern/Southern Hemispheres... Does he think exporting oranges from California to Australia is supposed to alter atoms within the fruit?

 

[Dr. Keith]

Yep.

And Northern/Southern Hemispheres... Does he think exporting oranges from California to Australia is supposed to alter atoms within the fruit?

Unless you turn them over, they'll all be upside down.

 

[Hellbound]

So I was doing some reading on Wikipedia for electron chain transport and it's still difficult for me to process in relation to food.

It has to do with the actual chemical process of turning food into energy.

It doesn't depend on a supply of food-borne electrons to work.

It doesn't depend on the number of electrons in the food to work.

The only way an electron imbalance would cause an issue is if there were enough free electrons to cause electrocution, but that's going to happen long before anything ever gets near an electron transport chain.

The transport chain happens after the food has been chewed, swallowed, digested in the stomach, passed into the intestines, the nutrients broken down and extracted, passed into the bloodstream, and then gotten into the cell.

 

[therival58]

Yep.

And Northern/Southern Hemispheres... Does he think exporting oranges from California to Australia is supposed to alter atoms within the fruit?

The atomic structure is not altered in the fruit, the assertion is that the fruit's election "charge" will alter the 'charge' in the individual's quantum physiology, which throws our systems out of whack. This Hellhound says is nonsense.

Since our skin is derived from neuro-ectoderm and we, too, use photosynthesis to make Vitamin D for our protection from poor electron dense foods in summer. Maybe we should re-think our position on Vitamin D?

https://jackkruse.com/the-sunshine-of-your-life/

 

[Hellbound]

Yeah, this is absolutely nonsense.

 

[TalosMarr]

Who'd have thought, another high skill/low knowledge 'expert' doing things outside their field of expertise. I really can't wait until 'surgeon' is just another production line of robots.

 

[therival58]

Yeah, this is absolutely nonsense.

This is from Askscience on reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience...ere_any_signs_of_macroevolution_in_humans_or/

Kruse cites Douglas Wallace a lot for his research on mitochondria, and Wallace seems to be a respected figure in the field. I think Kruse extends Wallace's research to extremes that cannot be supported.

https://cmem.research.chop.edu/index.php/cmem-bers/1-wallace-douglas

2) When mitochondria make energy, they shuttle electrons across their membranes. If any of these membranes get loose they attack (in a chemical sense) the nearest electrophilic molecule. In mitochondria this tends to be oxygen. This makes Reactive Oxygen Species (ROS). Too much ROS is dangerous. It can severely damage your mitochondria. (Ever hear that you should be eating anti-oxidants? Its because they are thougt to help reduce the amount ROS).

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3) Mitochondria are heat producers. We are only kind of joking when we say we burn our food. The chemical process our mitochondria use takes the robust chemical reaction of burning and breaks it into many controlled steps, using the energy that would become heat to generate ATP for us. However mitochondria can be made to work less efficiently. When this happens some of the energy escapes as heat. Our brown adipose tissue (BAT, fat cells) are really good at making heat because their mitochondria are uncoupled more than other mitochondria from different tissue.

 

[bruto]

Like the prestige I was a little disappointed to find that it was not about tomatoes, perhaps the question of whether those we eat would have been better thrown.

On the basic question, I would point out (without questioning why anyone would have to) that in large parts of the world, there is a long dark cold season in which no vegetables at all grow. Assuming that "off season" means off the season where you live, since otherwise, of course, all vegetables are in season wherever they mature or they would die, this means that huge numbers of people in the temperate and colder zones should eat no vegetables at all for much of the year.

This would mean that people who eat no vegetables at all for half or more of the year should be healthier than those who do eat imported off-season vegetables. I suspect that such a drastic eventuality would be fairly easy to find in medical or epidemiological literature.

It sure sounds like nonsense to me. In short, I don't think the author of the theory knows his beans.

 

[ahhell]

Given the discussion of avocados, I think this is more concerning to him than

Yep.

And Northern/Southern Hemispheres... Does he think exporting oranges from California to Australia is supposed to alter atoms within the fruit?

This? Maybe. Frankly, its rather incoherent.

So what about the tropics where fruits and veggies grow all year?

Did he only consider four seasons climates?

If tomato's are out of season in the US does that still make tomatoes from Mexico ( fresh and in season ) poison north of the Rio Bravo?

So much more research required....

 

[Hellbound]

This is from Askscience on reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience...ere_any_signs_of_macroevolution_in_humans_or/

Kruse cites Douglas Wallace a lot for his research on mitochondria, and Wallace seems to be a respected figure in the field. I think Kruse extends Wallace's research to extremes that cannot be supported.

https://cmem.research.chop.edu/index.php/cmem-bers/1-wallace-douglas

And none of that has anything to do with the "electron balance" of the food you eat.

This is like saying that because cars run on gas the moon has an engine. That's the level of relation between the two, even assuming the "low electron food" nonsense was in any way accurate.

 

[CORed]

Dang. From the thread title, I was expecting an article about why out-of-season tomatoes is how we got Trump.

Yeah, me too. As a consolation, I might just throw some out-of-season tomatoes at Trump. On second thought, maybe not. As satisfying as that would be, it wouldn't be worth the risk of getting arrested.