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Does diplomatic immunity cover this...?

Foolmewunz said:
Hilited: I think you're assuming a very small sub-set of countries, e.g. those tagged with "civilized". I can think of a couple of dozen off the top of my head where the governments and justice systems wouldn't care if the crime was commited in another galaxy.
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In that case Norway isn't a civilized country. Among other things, we can be punished for smoking pot or hiring prostitutes abroad, even if it's legal in that country. Or, in fact, if we do it in a different galaxy.
 
Hevneren said:
In that case Norway isn't a civilized country. Among other things, we can be punished for smoking pot or hiring prostitutes abroad, even if it's legal in that country. Or, in fact, if we do it in a different galaxy.
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I was using the term loosely because I didn't want to get into the whole "western democracy" thing. Just being lazy.

(OTOH, have you seen what an Oslo hotel charges for room service breakfast? You don't know whether to order or call your banker to open a Letter of Credit!)
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
As for facing charges back home, I do believe 'cannot' is the wrong verb. May or may not depending on circumstances, but cannot? No, that would be applying our laws in countries they don't apply in.
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The word "generally" allows for exceptions, but I stand by that as the norm.
 
FenerFan said:
The D.C. Police have filed charges. Good for them.



http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/15/turkish-security-personnel-charged-dc-protest-assault-239598
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This will probably lead nowhere. Even if they are declared guilty by an US court it will not be possible to have the sentence executed as I doubt that Turkey will acknowledge the decision of any US court in the case at hand.

However the next time Erdogan visits the USA he will need to rely on another group of body gards, as these 12 will probably be declared persona non grata in the USA.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I was replying to the OP. If said Erdogan security forces had diplomatic immunity (it doesn't look like they did, but I haven't read the details), and had they bashed heads including killing someone, they could not be prosecuted. It sucks and has meant some horrendous crimes went unprosecuted. But it's a tradeoff and protects our diplomats from false charges.

BTW, just because someone is part of a foreign leader's entourage, I'm not sure that automatically confers diplomatic immunity. It's typically applied to embassy staff.
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I actually didn't think it would be likely that they did have immunity, but of course there have been cases which hinged on that very point of who is covered and who isn't.
 
Degeneve said:
This will probably lead nowhere. Even if they are declared guilty by an US court it will not be possible to have the sentence executed as I doubt that Turkey will acknowledge the decision of any US court in the case at hand.

However the next time Erdogan visits the USA he will need to rely on another group of body gards, as these 12 will probably be declared persona non grata in the USA.
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The "if" in your first paragraph is a big if; US courts are not very keen on in absentia trials. As for the second paragraph, I'd thunk that the US would gladly let them in, whether it's to stand trial or to serve their prison terms.
 
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