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[aggle-rithm]

But maybe I need to be simpler: just because a quantity increases locally tells us nothing about whether or not it is increasing everywhere.

Plus, the local increase is only temporary. Most of the "information" that has been produced by the Earth has been erased. In time, all of it will be.

 

[Roboramma]

Wrong. The past is created in the now. Prove me wrong if you can.

That's just gibberish. But perhaps you can explain your idea in such a way as to highlight it's implications, then we can actually test it to, you know, find out if it's true or false.

 

[Drachasor]

Lindman, is it not a far simpler conspiracy to propose that YOU are the victim of a conspiracy to get you to distrust science and the government? That way certain elected officials who advocate for smaller government and distrust science would tend to appeal to people. Hence they get in and stay in power at elections.

How hard is it to make a few internet sites and some videos after all? (This seems to be what you are basing things on).

One would require millions of people. The other could be done with a dozen or even less.

 

[aggle-rithm]

Lindman, is it not a far simpler conspiracy to propose that YOU are the victim of a conspiracy to get you to distrust science and the government? That way certain elected officials who advocate for smaller government and distrust science would tend to appeal to people. Hence they get in and stay in power at elections.

How hard is it to make a few internet sites and some videos after all? (This seems to be what you are basing things on).

One would require millions of people. The other could be done with a dozen or even less.

In the mind of a conspiracy theorist, the more complex a theory is, the more likely it is to be correct. I call it "Occam's Snowball".

 

[Drachasor]

In the mind of a conspiracy theorist, the more complex a theory is, the more likely it is to be correct. I call it "Occam's Snowball".

Or you could call it (Rube) Goldberg's Razor.

 

[Mashuna]

In the mind of a conspiracy theorist, the more complex a theory is, the more likely it is to be correct. I call it "Occam's Snowball".

It's a good phrase, but I think the one coined on these forums a couple of years ago is still the best. Anders is a keen user of Smacco's razor.

 

[aggle-rithm]

I'm getting more and more convinced that Anders is just having fun with us. It's an interesting discussion, nonetheless.

 

[yairhol]

I'm getting more and more convinced that Anders is just having fun with us. It's an interesting discussion, nonetheless.

After his last response to me I'm sure he's just having fun with us.
I mean this guy is behaving as if nothing on earth is true. EVERYTHING is faked, as part of a big conspiracy. A real person actually thinking the way he does would not be able to leave his bed in fear that everyone around him is out to fool him.

I'm outta here...

 

[Belz...]

It's a conspiracy theory. Or rather several conspiracy theories combined.

Yeah, it's more fun that way !

But IF there is a conspiracy

And IF there is not ? Wouldn't you prefer to show evidence that there's a conspiracy before taking Pascal's wager on it ?

 

[Belz...]

Restore science? To its rightful place? From a conspiracy theory viewpoint it sounds very much in line with this thread.

From a conspiracy theory viewpoint, EVERYTHING is in line with the theory.

Or a double message.

See ?

 

[Belz...]

If

Sums up your argument.

A rocket traveling 90% of the speed of light relative to Earth will double the speed of the entire universe?

Willful ignorance. You've already been explained this.

First of all, time is not a dimension.

I've shown you wrong on this already.

That's just ludicrous fairy tales for people who have outsourced their rational thinking to authorities who they blindly trust like children believing in Santa Claus.

How would you know, since you have no understanding of science ? And NO, I don't want to know that you've seen a Youtube video. I'm asking you how you KNOW ?

 

[Belz...]

In the mind of a conspiracy theorist, the more complex a theory is, the more likely it is to be correct. I call it "Occam's Snowball".

Beautiful !

 

[Hans]

Beautiful !

I've seen the term 'Occam's stumble', and 'Occam's slit throat' used before too

 

[Anders Lindman]

OK.

Can we agree that the default position should be that motion is possible?

Please explain how motion could be possible if points in time did not separate from each other. I will take it from there.

Think of the entire past being compressed into the now. The past grows, yes but it always remains in the now. Take a memory for example. The memory contains no time. The memory is timeless information. Yet the memory gives the appearance of time.

 

[Anders Lindman]

I've shown you wrong on this already.

No, you haven't. A dimension requires that you can measure it. How can you measure the future? You can't! Nobody can. It's impossible since the future is not created yet. The universe is like an algorithm with irreducible complexity.

Here is Steven Wolfram talking about irreducible complexity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60P7717-XOQ

 

[Anders Lindman]

That's just gibberish. But perhaps you can explain your idea in such a way as to highlight it's implications, then we can actually test it to, you know, find out if it's true or false.

One prediction is that particles cannot travel into the past.

 

[Myriad]

The past grows, yes but it always remains in the now.

Please fill in the blank:

The past grows. To "grow" means to increase in measure, such as in size or amount, with the passage of _______.

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[Belz...]

No, you haven't.

Yes I have. You're not sufficiently attentive to remember it.

A dimension requires that you can measure it.

Seconds, minutes, hours, days, months, years, centuries.

You were saying ?

How can you measure the future? You can't! Nobody can.

I just did.

It's impossible since the future is not created yet.

Another bald assertion. For all you know, the future is ALREADY set in stone.

Here is Steven Wolfram talking about irreducible complexity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60P7717-XOQ

Enough with the crackpot Youtube videos. Put up or shut up.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Please fill in the blank:

The past grows. To "grow" means to increase in measure, such as in size or amount, with the passage of _______.

Respectfully,
Myriad

The past consists of information. The total amount of information representing the past grows moment to moment. The universe is a process of increasing complexity.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Seconds, minutes, hours, days, months, years, centuries.

You were saying ?

That's not the future. That's a prediction about the future. A dimension is something that can be measured. A prediction is not the same thing as a measurement. Any scientist knows that.