Documentary about Israel/Palestine

bigjelmapro said:
Its pretty self-evident that the PA and Hamas have learned quite a bit from Hezbollah in terms of indoctrination. Can't say this for one bit in Israel, even when some Israelis have fallen for much of the same Hezbollah-esk indoctrination.
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Wow, just look at this. Let me fiddle around with it to make clear what you said here.

"You can't say that Israel has learned quite a bit from Hezbollah in terms of indoctrination."

Well, I might or I might not say it, but it doesn't matter. Nobody holds the patent on propaganda. How do you even end up framing the issue this way?
 
Pretty straight-forward, that this Occupation 101 posing as a documentary is nothing but the standard propaganda ploy used by the likes of Hezbollah and Hamas to justify terrorism against Israel as justifiable. This was also mentioned in the link.

This conflict will perpetuate until this issue is solved and the issues are put in their proper context. Nothing to really fiddle around with.
 
bigjelmapro said:
Its an extreme example, as stated. Its a POV of many Turks that it did not happened. Would you view a Turkish 'documentary' stating that it did not happened, as a valid POV, or just propaganda? Simple question....
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what is the position of the Israeli government in the regard of the Armenian genocide?
 
DC said:
what is the position of the Israeli government in the regard of the Armenian genocide?
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Google is your friend. Make note, however, of this obvious deflection since Israel has not made any documentaries denying or justifying the Armenian genocide in any way.

Israeli parliament to consider recognition of Armenian genocide
The decision to hold a Knesset committee hearing, which was proposed by Meretz Party leader Haim Oron, was approved by 12 votes to 8, with one abstention. Remarkably, the government did not oppose the motion. A similar initiative last year did not win the Israeli government support. The Knesset House Committee will decide whether the issue will be handed over to the Knesset Education Committee, as Oron wants, or to the Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee (through which the bill did not pass on two previous occasions).

“It is the Knesset’s moral duty to recognize the Armenians’ greatest national disaster,” said Oron as reported in the Israeli press.

Moves on recognizing the 1915-1918 mass killings and deportations of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire as genocide have recently been made in the legislatures of the United States and Sweden.

On March 4, the US House Foreign Affairs Committee passed such a resolution. A week later, the parliament of Sweden recognized the Armenian genocide. All in all, more than two dozen states, including France and Russia, have recognized the Armenian Genocide to date.
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Did you read the bolded parts by chance?

Also, make note of the fact that Turkey has been a mediator for prisoner exchanges and peace initiatives in the past between Israel, Hezbollah, PA, and Hamas and this vote was put off so as not to aliente this neutral party. Turkey has officially and repeatedly denied the existence of the Armenian genocide.

Puts it into context and the failure of yours to do so ontop of the obvious attempt at a deflection/moral equivalence, yet again.
 
bigjelmapro said:
Google is your friend. Make note, however, of this obvious deflection since Israel has not made any documentaries denying or justifying the Armenian genocide in any way.

Israeli parliament to consider recognition of Armenian genocide

Did you read the bolded parts by chance?

Also, make note of the fact that Turkey has been a mediator for prisoner exchanges and peace initiatives in the past between Israel, Hezbollah, PA, and Hamas and this vote was put off so as not to aliente this neutral party. Turkey has officially and repeatedly denied the existence of the Armenian genocide.

Puts it into context and the failure of yours to do so ontop of the obvious attempt at a deflection/moral equivalence, yet again.
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LOL.

i merely questioned if you should have used that as example. because the Israeli government has not recognized it.

it was not meant as an atack on you, or moral equivalence.
 
DC said:
i merely questioned if you should have used that as example. because the Israeli government has not recognized it.
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Then you missed the gist of the post. Was referring to documentaries, not what governments think. I can use the example since it works.
 
DC said:
what is the position of the Israeli government in the regard of the Armenian genocide?
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Well if you raise the issue then it's worth pointing out that the only reason these countries wouldn't recognize the Armenian Genocide is to avoid ticking-off Turkey. Turkey is the pressure group that would delay or prevent that recognition.
 
Mycroft said:
Well if you raise the issue then it's worth pointing out that the only reason these countries wouldn't recognize the Armenian Genocide is to avoid ticking-off Turkey. Turkey is the pressure group that would delay or prevent that recognition.
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i know, but then the mossad goes and clones ID's from even better allies, sure it isn't comparable, but while i can understand Israel not wanting to anger the Turk Gov. But still i must find it wrong.

But especially so he should not have used that example.
 
bigjelmapro said:
Then you missed the gist of the post. Was referring to documentaries, not what governments think. I can use the example since it works.
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well isn't the recognition by a Government more important than some documentary mainly watched on the internet mostly by people having already a formed opinion?
 
bigjelmapro said:
Pretty straight-forward, that this Occupation 101 posing as a documentary is nothing but the standard propaganda ploy used by the likes of Hezbollah and Hamas to justify terrorism against Israel as justifiable.
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Wow. I think this is too far gone. There was nothing in the film that would endorse violent behavior - on either side.
 
Tapio said:
Wow. I think this is too far gone. There was nothing in the film that would endorse violent behavior - on either side.
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Then you missed the obvious points from the beginning onwards. Its justifies it as a only means of 'resistence'. This is one of the centerpieces of 'documentaries' such as these. You're simply misinformed.
 
DC said:
hey dont get angry, not my fault when you pick such an embarrassing example.
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:confused: Anger is where? No need to pile on another deflection in having to actually answer for your previous deflection.

See the difference from my original post:
Its an extreme example, as stated. Its a POV of many Turks that it did not happened. Would you view a Turkish 'documentary' stating that it did not happened, as a valid POV, or just propaganda? Simple question....
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Care to comment or still press the deflection (out of context as usual) from having to actually answer this question?

I can't see anything but desperation in your posts.
 
bigjelmapro said:
:confused: Anger is where? No need to pile on another deflection in having to actually answer for your previous deflection.

See the difference from my original post:


Care to comment or still press the deflection (out of context as usual) from having to actually answer this question?

I can't see anything but desperation in your posts.
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it is a point of view. If valid or not, it is a point of view that many share.
 
what documentary would you then recommend, one that is honest and not propagandistic.
 
DC said:
it is a point of view. If valid or not, it is a point of view that many share.
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You're avoiding answering the question, yet again. You're falling back on the 'its an opinion' bit yet again.

If its simply a independent POV expressed in, let's say a forum or public discourse, then there's the option to discuss. When this POV is expressed in a one-sided form, with a number of inconsistencies, omissions and blatant fabrications, then there's an issue of calling it a documentary.

My original point still stands.
 
DC said:
what documentary would you then recommend, one that is honest and not propagandistic.
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The Trojan Horse (2002)

The Fifty Years War: Israel and the Arabs (1998)
PBS/WGBH/BBC Film

Relentless: The Struggle for Peace in the Middle East (2003)

Shooting Conflicts (2003)

For a start. Presents both sides with commentary, concerns, context, etc.

Plenty more.
 
Thunder said:
posting Youtube videos to get your point across...is sooo pathetic. and lazy.
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DC asked for titles of documentaries s/he might watch to get a better insight into the Israel-Palestine conflict. Bigjelmapro posted a few titles of documentaries s/he thought provides a better insight into the Israel-Palestine conflict. Looks like a perfectly reasonable response to me.
 
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