"Do the orders still stand?" - Person identified

BCR said:
Here are the notes from a Secret Service log done for the 911 Commission and recently released by NARA.
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John, before this spirals out of control into another "twoofer blockbuster" it should be noted that at the top of the page (cut off from the posted excerpt) it is noted as an "extract". That means someone copied from the SS log as opposed to that being an original exact copy.

We know there was a lot of false information coming from the SS, so is there anyway to know if those notes were made real time or was it simply produced at a later date after the time line was widely known? What part of that was from an original SS Log and what part was simply notes by whomever made the notes and knew the timeline?

ETA: Even if we ASSUME this is directly from original notes WHO was "standing down" as truthers insist happened. There was NO ONE even near DC at the time, although they were on the way.
 
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achimspok said:
Of course, given the 8 mile debris field. But the order wasn't about flight 93.
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The 8 mile debris field is made up by morons. Only paper, and things that travel on the wind made it 8 miles away, like in a large fire, ash falls for miles. Your paranoia knows no bounds due to ignorance. Like you learned about the FMC, you could learn about aircraft accidents, but will it cure your paranoia and fantasy conspiracy theories?
 
Reheat said:
John, before this spirals out of control into another "twoofer blockbuster" it should be noted that at the top of the page (cut off from the posted excerpt) it is noted as an "extract". That means someone copied from the SS log as opposed to that being an original exact copy.
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Yes it is, that is why the original is also linked for those who want it. And they are notes of what the original said, because the last I checked the originals are still 'classified'. And also, note this is supposedly information coming from the FAA to the SS, not information they are generating on their own.

Mineta is clear that at the time he is on the phone getting clarification and it is specifically a primary target they are watching, not a TSD artifact.

I have posted it for you guys to debate. I do however again reiterate and clarify. The account recorded here describes AAL77's approach, including the distances described by Mineta in his version of events and the 'countdown'.

I personally believe that Mineta did confuse some of the details of his recall. That is of course my belief based on my experience with witnesses (such as the NoC folks). But in fairness, this does agree with his account of events very well.

So, am I now to believe that the person who took notes off the original record messed up? I never gave much credence to Mineta's account before. Reckon I'll have to look at it a little closer.
 
BCR said:
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I have posted it for you guys to debate. I do however again reiterate and clarify. The account recorded here describes AAL77's approach, including the distances described by Mineta in his version of events and the 'countdown'.

I personally believe that Mineta did confuse some of the details of his recall......
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Both Scooter Libby and Eric Edelman describe a "countdown" of sorts, Libby's in terms of "miles out" and Edelman's in terms of "minutes out". Obviously Mineta was present as well when this situation occurred.

The scenario they are recalling is after Flight 77 has crashed.
 
http://conspiraciesrnotus.blogspot.com/2008/01/deciphering-norman-mineta-kerflaffle.html

"I was made aware of it during the time that the airplane coming into the Pentagon. There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?"

“A military assistant asked Cheney twice for authority to shoot [the Pentagon plane] down."

"’The vice president said yes again," remembered Josh Bolton, deputy White House chief of staff. And the aide then asked a third time. He said, “Just confirming, sir, authority to engage?” And the vice president -- his voice got a little annoyed then -- said, “I said yes.”'
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Go ahead Truthers, quote mine the hell out of it. :rolleyes:
 
Björn Toulouse said:
The scenario they are recalling is after Flight 77 has crashed.
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Anyone who looks at all the evidence and thinks otherwise is a moron.

The VP and his wife being there when Mineta arrives debunks the whole kit and kaboodle about Mineta account.

If I remember correctly Cheney was able to watch smoke at the Pentagon on a monitor in the corridor prior to entering the PEOC.
 
BCR said:
Mineta is clear that at the time he is on the phone getting clarification and it is specifically a primary target they are watching, not a TSD artifact.
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Mineta is clear that the White House was being evacuated when he arrived, too. There's all sorts of things that Mineta was "clear" about that don't fit his timeline.
 
BCR said:
I notice the original video linked by CE is no longer active, so for reference here is Mineta's testimony.
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The video in the OP was not Mineta's testimony but a record of Jeff Hill's phone call to Cochrane. Any idea why he deleted it? Well, he joined this forum in January, maybe he can tell us the reason.

edit: sent him a PM quoting the above.
 
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Basically I decided to delete it yesterday because I think Mr. Cochrane is a good man and just wanted to take it down.
 
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Jeff, among us twoofies - assuming that you were honestly fooled by Simon Shack and associated goons, did it ever occure to you that the videos the anti-CIT crowd produces these days are quite in the same style, using the same mind manipulating tools? You fell for the same nonsense again, only under a different mask, buddy. Just saying.
 
Twoofie, sure. Someone who cares about the truth, you are not!!!

What you are is a perfect example of one reason I decided to take it down :(
 
Childlike Empress said:
Jeff, among us twoofies - assuming that you were honestly fooled by Simon Shack and associated goons, did it ever occure to you that the videos the anti-CIT crowd produces these days are quite in the same style, using the same mind manipulating tools? You fell for the same nonsense again, only under a different mask, buddy. Just saying.
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The anti-CIT crowd?

bwhahha!! Ohhh, CE, you remain a true treasure.

Speaking of CIT videos, did they ever release the raw videos?

Ha! Just kidding again, we know they won't do that, otherwise they could not sucker folks like you in with their lies.
 
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