"Do the orders still stand?" - Person identified

[Dave Rogers]

Great. Then there is no national security issue in releasing the photos of a parking lot thousands of people drive by every day.

That, presumably, is why several of them have been released. However, there is another consideration: these videos are private property. If their contents contain nothing presenting a national security issue, then the FBI does not have the legal authority to publish them.

So there's your answer. How do you plan to ignore it?

Dave

 

[The Big Dog]

That, presumably, is why several of them have been released. However, there is another consideration: these videos are private property. If their contents contain nothing presenting a national security issue, then the FBI does not have the legal authority to publish them.

So there's your answer. How do you plan to ignore it?

Dave

Dude, we are wasting our time with this guy. There is a thread and links containing copies of all the even potentially responsive videos on the first page of this section, which this guy has not even bothered to review.

He is really interested in the "truth" as you can see.

 

[fess]

I came to this forum expecting to find critical thinking, new ideas, and interesting information. You write like a junior high school student, making false assumptions (there are plenty of witnesses to a plane) and ad hominems. Fact? What evidence do you have I'm "ignoring the answers". If you write as an adult, I'll read your responses.

Perhaps if you acted like an adult, others might respond in kind.
Maybe you will feel better when Mommy slides your lunch under the door. Until then, you respond like you just graduated from “Truther School of Arrogance 101”.

 

[fess]

You make a lot of assumptions that turn out to be wrong.
I volunteered for the USMC and took the oath you refer to.

Did you ever make it out of basic training?

 

[MikeW]

Re: the 85-odd videos, a truther obtained some of these and posted them at http://penttbom.com. He wasn't happy with the FBI, who he said just put a digital camera in front of a TV to transfer the videos, which were therefore of a very low quality. But he also had to concede that it wouldn't really matter anyway:

i thought long about litigating further to have them go back and transfer the videos in decent quality, but what was actually recorded in the rest of the videos was really nothing of interest. many of the recordings were home videos that had nothing to do with the events - many of them well after 9/11 and completely irrelevant; i mean nothing.

i've been working on this project for so many years, and if there was anything on those videos that may have possibly shed further light on the event, i would have fought for the higher quality. it was all basically random stuff and shaky camera work revealing nothing. that may be hard to accept (my personal judgement) but you're going to have to trust me or hate me.
http://penttbom.com/

Of course as he then goes on to recommend people "stay away from no-plane theories and groups and sites that suggest anything other than a 757 impacted the pentagon" I suppose he'll just be classed as "disinfo", "cointelpro" or something similar... Truthers like to pretend they're "awake", but in my experience no-one leaves in a deeper dream world, and most seem extremely reluctant to leave.

 

[beachnut]

You are uninformed on something easily found on the web.
Norman Mineta said that Cochran asked Cheney "Do the orders still stand?"


You make a lot of assumptions that turn out to be wrong.
I volunteered for the USMC and took the oath you refer to.

You can't explain what it means; why? Did the orders stop Flight 93 passengers? What did the orders mean? A marine acting all anti-government. Why?

You believe in nonsense, did you learn that being a marine? The videos? You failed to do a FOIA? darn

 

[BCR]

Re: the 85-odd videos, a truther obtained some of these and posted them at http://penttbom.com.

Yes, that would be Scott Bingham. He is the guy who sent me the VHS tape for the Citgo camera provided to him by the FBI. There were also a few other videos taken by tourists and media types that I obtained from the FBI. But I am not aware of "84 security cameras" that exist and being withheld.

Judicial Watch provided me with the full DVD set from the Doubletree that they obtained, but lawsuits by Bingham, Judicial Watch and myself have failed to find a list of "84 security cameras". Quite the contrary, the Navy and DoD deny the existence of video records from the multiple security cameras located at the Navy Annex and around the Pentagon. Of course if you believe that I suspect you would be interested in buying this bridge I own that crosses the Mississippi River here in Memphis.

If I have a 'list' of such videos that actually exist, then we can put the pressure on for their release. Unfortunately, because of the sensitivity of that area, all DoD has to do is invoke the national security exemption and deny their existence. Nothing really sinister here, as I would find out by sitting in the back of a DoD police car back in 2007, they really are funny about photographs and videos being taken in that area.

 

[funk de fino]

You are uninformed on something easily found on the web.
Norman Mineta said that Cochran asked Cheney "Do the orders still stand?"

Mineta can't tell the time it seems.

 

[Jackanory]

You make a lot of assumptions that turn out to be wrong.
I volunteered for the USMC and took the oath you refer to.

What is a servicemans response to an incident that requires immediate action?

Does he/she ask for permission to react?
Does he/she await orders to continue?

"contact, wait, out".

Then sit awaiting orders?????? lol. I think not!

 

[Animal]

He would simply answer the questions if he had nothing to hide. Detectives call his elusive behavior "guilty demeanor." This indicates he feels he is above the law, and does not have to answer to the people who pay his salary or pension. He should remember his oath to protect the American people, not the Neocons. At least he showed some conscience and doubt by asking "do the orders still stand?" Better to ask "do the orders stand for public safety and truth?"

"Elusive behavior"? more like professional behavior toward an undeserving moron. Claiming the pentagon was "the most secure airspace in the whole world" would have had me laughing in his face for being such an idiot.

 

[Dog Town]

Quite the contrary, the Navy and DoD deny the existence of video records from the multiple security cameras located at the Navy Annex and around the Pentagon. Of course if you believe that I suspect you would be interested in buying this bridge I own that crosses the Mississippi River here in Memphis.

So...you have some EVIDENCE they had recorders, and weren't live monitored?

Maybe you'd like to buy the bridge, I'm selling instead?

 

[BCR]

You know, I must not be too smart. For the life of me I can't figure out what the significance of the whole "Do the orders still stand?" thing in the first place. At the time this took place, the twin towers and the Pentagon had been attacked by suicide pilot types with hijacked commercial aircraft. OTIS fighters were stationed over NYC with Langley fighters racing to put a cap over DC and Andrews scrambling to catch up. The TSD is still showing UAL93 on a course for the DC area although the plane had crashed earlier in Pennsylvania. If I recall correctly, the context of all of this was the 'count-down' based on the TSD track that resulted in the Pentagon area being evacuated after it had already been hit. So I can only assume that the question is related to the shoot-down order that had just been given.

So what is the big deal? I would certainly hope that by this time the President had issued such an order. How many more planes and buildings were we willing to deal with that day? I would also expect that the guy who asked the darn question does not have the authority to discuss things related to national defense and the PEOC unless it has been cleared by higher-ups for him to do so.

Nothing to see here ... move along.

 

[DGM]

You know, I must not be too smart. For the life of me I can't figure out what the significance of the whole "Do the orders still stand?" thing in the first place.

OK, Now I don't feel so bad. "Truthers" (John, you can skip this part ) would you like to explain?

 

[Jackanory]

You know, I must not be too smart. For the life of me I can't figure out what the significance of the whole "Do the orders still stand?" thing in the first place. At the time this took place, the twin towers and the Pentagon had been attacked by suicide pilot types with hijacked commercial aircraft. OTIS fighters were stationed over NYC with Langley fighters racing to put a cap over DC and Andrews scrambling to catch up. The TSD is still showing UAL93 on a course for the DC area although the plane had crashed earlier in Pennsylvania. If I recall correctly, the context of all of this was the 'count-down' based on the TSD track that resulted in the Pentagon area being evacuated after it had already been hit. So I can only assume that the question is related to the shoot-down order that had just been given.

So what is the big deal? I would certainly hope that by this time the President had issued such an order. How many more planes and buildings were we willing to deal with that day? I would also expect that the guy who asked the darn question does not have the authority to discuss things related to national defense and the PEOC unless it has been cleared by higher-ups for him to do so.

Nothing to see here ... move along.

Simply lines to fill the chapters in a fairytale for the woo society. Sadly it will continue long after we are gone.

 

[Horatius]

So what is the big deal?

The big deal is, it feeds into their Hollywood fantasies of how the world works. Here we have a fellow who is just following orders, but those orders are so morally repugnant, he keeps asking, "Do they stand?"


Of course, in a dramatic failure of personal integrity, he ends up carrying out his orders - but, just maybe possibly, he feels guilty enough about that failure that our Plucky Heroes can get him to confess his crime, and reveal the Truth about what really happened that day.


And that's what the Big Deal is.

 

[Dog Town]

The big deal is, it feeds into their Hollywood fantasies of how the world works. Here we have a fellow who is just following orders, but those orders are so morally repugnant, he keeps asking, "Do they stand?"


Of course, in a dramatic failure of personal integrity, he ends up carrying out his orders - but, just maybe possibly, he feels guilty enough about that failure that our Plucky Heroes,and their dog can get him to confess his crime, and reveal the Truth about what really happened that day.


And that's what the Big Deal is.

ftfy

 

[Horatius]

ftfy

Sorry, I'm a cat person, and cats couldn't care less about the "truth".

 

[TruthMakesPeace]

You are not ignoring the answers?

I'm not ignoring intelligent answers, like BCR and MikeW's very helpful post about PentTBom .com which I much appreciate and am in the process of viewing. New info is what I came to JREF for.

However, I have other forums and news sources to check, to get different viewpoints to evaluate, my own YT channel, plus a life outside JREF. So it may take me a week to get back here.

You don't own this forum. You just have more time to hang out here and "claim" it. If people "come and go", it is because they found no useful information here.

Some of you try to make me the topic of the forum, and make childish comments, evidently trying to get me to leave. Get a life. Look at the OP and stick to it. Focus on and debate the message, not the messenger.

do yourself a favor and stop posting

Maybe you will feel better when Mommy slides your lunch.

A Marine acting all anti-government. Why?

Not anti-government. Anti-corruption. I want the truth and to fulfill our oath "to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign or domestic."

There are many suspicious things about 9/11. No one should be criticized for being a skeptic. If the wars were for oil profits for corporations who don't want us to develop solor energy or electric cars, resulting in dead or no-legged soldiers, then they are not friends of the American public.

 

[alienentity]

I'm not ignoring intelligent answers, ....

There are many suspicious things about 9/11. No one should be criticized for being a skeptic. If the wars were for oil profits for corporations who don't want us to develop solor energy or electric cars, resulting in dead or no-legged soldiers, then they are not friends of the American public.

Spare us the soapbox speech. You can buy an electric car today, and put solar panels on your house as well.

Question: have you bothered to do either, or do you just like complaining about 'the man' while sitting on your butt? Your comments reek of hypocrisy.

 

[R.Mackey]

"Do the orders still stand?"

"Have you heard anything to the contrary? We've GOT to keep a lid on the 200 MPG carburetor at all costs!"