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Do Spaniards really sympathize with UBL?

Elind

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Elind
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If one can believe the press today, millions of Spaniards are angry, not with terrorsists only but also with their government for not kissing ass with UBL and Saddam supporters, thereby supposedly bringing on this obsenity.

What does that bode for dealing with terrorism in the long term?
 
Foreign policy by terror. If the Spaniards develop policy to assuage UBL et al. then the Islamic extremists have won Iberia for the second time.
 
Ok you've got me. Who is UBL?
 
He's the guy that usta sing with Paul Simon.

The people of Spain are upset ( and rightly so ) about the terrorist attack. The fact is that many many believe that if they had not aligned with the US and sent troops into Iraq, They would not have been a target. The prevailing opinion was, BEFORE the deployment that it should not be done.
 

The people of Spain are upset ( and rightly so ) about the terrorist attack. The fact is that many many believe that if they had not aligned with the US and sent troops into Iraq, They would not have been a target. The prevailing opinion was, BEFORE the deployment that it should not be done. [/B]
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That's what I said. What YOUR point?
 
Doesn't that suggest that Spanish civilians were attacked because they opposed the war in Iraq? So, wouldn't a solution be for them to support the war in Iraq?

Compare Kuwait and Spain. Have there been a lot of recent terrorist attacks in Kuwait? If not, might the reason be that the people of Kuwait support the war in Iraq and terrorists don't see any chance of driving a wedge between the Kuwaiti government and the Kuwaiti people?
 
Elind "That's what I said. What YOUR point?"


My point R That the people of Spain to the majority disagreed with the deployment and view the subsequent attack as a confirmation of their fears. Where my description of the case " The fact is that many believe that if they had not aligned with the US and sent troops into Iraq, They would not have been a target." pales in comparison with your in depth analysis " Spaniards are angry, not with terrorists only but also with their government for not kissing ass with UBL and Saddam supporters", leaves me to only strive for better prose in the future.
 
First of all, Usama bin Laden made it quite clear that he was not involved in the terror attack on the WTC. On the other hand, he made it equally clear that he wished to congratulate those who were responsible.

Now, given that the terror attacks on the WTC were organized by Zionist Agents in the US government and that the attacks were a pretext for a subsequent invasion of Iraq, it follows that Usama bin Laden is fully supportive of the invasion of Iraq.

Therefore, your worries are unfounded. Being involved in Iraq could not possibly make Spain an enemy of Usama bin Laden.
 
The idea said:
First of all, Usama bin Laden made it quite clear that he was not involved in the terror attack on the WTC. On the other hand, he made it equally clear that he wished to congratulate those who were responsible.

Now, given that the terror attacks on the WTC were organized by Zionist Agents in the US government and that the attacks were a pretext for a subsequent invasion of Iraq, it follows that Usama bin Laden is fully supportive of the invasion of Iraq.

Therefore, your worries are unfounded. Being involved in Iraq could not possibly make Spain an enemy of Usama bin Laden.
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Thank you for clearing that up.:D
 
Nobody in Spain wanted that war, and ow a lot of people are thinking "Had we not participated, this wouldn't have happened". Now, in my opinion this kind of thoughts at a time like this are simply wrong. I didn't approve the war then, but know this (if it's Al Qaeda) is a reason to stay there, not take our troops back. If we did bring them back, then the terrorists would be dictating our policy, and we might as well change our electoral system: the next time, whoever kills more innocents win.

It's true there have been demonstrations against the government, but I was in the big one in Madrid (two and a half million people in a city under 4 million) and there was nothing like that, all you could hear was against the killers, against ETA, Otegi...

In Barcelona, however, there was quite a violent moment against the government. The problem is that the general election is tomorrow and this has made some people (not most people) to start arguing about who's to blame in Spain. This is wrong, they haven't even respected the three mourning days... You can tell which newspaper is pro PSOE or pro PP by seeing if the support the ETA theory or the Al Qaeda one.

Again, if this goes on the terrorists would win... they would divide the nation in some way. I just hope this will be forgoten after the election and both major parties stick together.

And don't believe everything you see on the press, most people are just upset and against the terrorists and most undecided people are now in favour of the government, or at least supporting them during these hard times.

One more thing... NO ONE sympathizes with UBL, but a lot of people sadly mix up pacifism and defencelessness (does this word even exist?)
 
The idea said:
First of all, Usama bin Laden made it quite clear that he was not involved in the terror attack on the WTC. On the other hand, he made it equally clear that he wished to congratulate those who were responsible.

Now, given that the terror attacks on the WTC were organized by Zionist Agents in the US government and that the attacks were a pretext for a subsequent invasion of Iraq, it follows that Usama bin Laden is fully supportive of the invasion of Iraq.

Therefore, your worries are unfounded. Being involved in Iraq could not possibly make Spain an enemy of Usama bin Laden.
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:v:
 
TillEulenspiegel said:
Elind "That's what I said. What YOUR point?"


My point R That the people of Spain to the majority disagreed with the deployment and view the subsequent attack as a confirmation of their fears. Where my description of the case " The fact is that many believe that if they had not aligned with the US and sent troops into Iraq, They would not have been a target." pales in comparison with your in depth analysis " Spaniards are angry, not with terrorists only but also with their government for not kissing ass with UBL and Saddam supporters", leaves me to only strive for better prose in the future.
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"That's what I said. What YOUR point?"
 
Fendetestas said:
Again, if this goes on the terrorists would win... they would divide the nation in some way. I just hope this will be forgoten after the election and both major parties stick together.
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Sticking together is the aim dictators. Free men go in all directions.
 
geni said:


Sticking together is the aim dictators. Free men go in all directions.
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True, but using this as a political weapon is disgusting. Most victims are not buried yet and the opposition parties are atacking the government and both sides are twisting the facts and the pieces of evidence we have to serve their own goals.
 
Elind:
If one can believe the press today, millions of Spaniards are angry, not with terrorsists only but also with their government for not kissing ass with UBL and Saddam supporters, thereby supposedly bringing on this obsenity.

What does that bode for dealing with terrorism in the long term?
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Sorry, what does OBL have to do with Spain's involvement in Iraq? Was Spain also a participant in the attack on Afghanistan?
 
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Elind:
Sorry, :confused: ??
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Sorry if I wasn't clear. You refer to the how the Spaniards are angry "with their government for not kissing ass with UBL". My question is in what sense they weren't kissing ass?

In other words, what does OBL have to do with the invasion of Iraq, where I know the Spanish government supported the invasion?
 
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DanishDynamite said:
Elind:Sorry if I wasn't clear. You refer to the how the Spaniards are angry "with their government for not kissing ass with UBL". My question is in what sense they weren't kissing ass?

In other words, what does OBL have to do with the invasion of Iraq, where I know the Spanish government supported the invasion?
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Sorry if I wasn't clear - I repeat - "If one can believe the press today, millions of Spaniards are angry, not with terrorsists only but also with their government for not kissing ass with UBL and Saddam supporters, thereby supposedly bringing on this obsenity.

What does that bode for dealing with terrorism in the long term?

(UBL, OBL, whatever. I'll accept the Danish)

Perhaps I expressed it crudely, or with too much brevity, but kissing ass is meant as being synonymous with being neutral, or worse, when it comes to dealing with regimes that are clearly no more than criminal (or fanatical) gangs. The Spanish government, to their credit, in my humble opinion, did not do that, but it appears that many of the Spanish people would vote them out as a result, giving enormous comfort to the likes of UBL (OBL in Danish).

Do I need to clarify further?
 
As I recall, an old tape of OBL complained about the reconquest of the Iberian Peninsula in 1492. (I am not kidding.)

It would seem that Islamic terrorists are not the most rational people in the world.
 
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