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Do clever people outsmart themselves?

Scorpion

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I know a lot of people on this forum are very clever, and might be described as intellectuals, but does that mean they cannot understand wisdom that is available to simple people. I think it was probably the Buddha who said,
"the mind is the great slayer of the real".
If there is a God he would hardly make it impossible to realize him without a high functioning intellect. Most religious people accept their beliefs on faith not by reasoning. Religious doctrines may serve only to pacify the mind so that a person can open their heart to spiritual experiences. It may not matter if the doctrine is absolutely true. A simple person of faith can experience much comfort and inner peace from believing in doctrines that sharper intellects find fault with.
So I put it to the forum that you may be outsmarting yourselves.
 
Well, if to understand God you have to be not very smart, I'd say the first message is on the right track :p
 
Which is worse? A large group of sheep like beings content that with little real knowledge or curiosity are lead to a fleecing or a slightly discontent individuals being curious and learning, that can avoid being fleeced?

Human nature says the trusting and uneducated will be taken advantage of, exploited. That isn't good. We can't all be super genius minds but we can know how to not be the stooge of them.
 
Correction, I just looked it up, and it was Blavatsky that said, "the mind is the great slayer of the real" Which does not help my argument much because Blavatsky was a self confessed fake.
 
Scorpion said:
If there is a God he would hardly make it impossible to realize him without a high functioning intellect..
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Why not? Maybe God's a dick. Who says God has to be a nice guy or has to make sense?

I'm sure your answer is going to be some evidence free touchy feely ad hoc nonsense.

My contention is that if God exists, he's clearly an *******.
 
"LOL Smart people are so smart they aren't happy" must be the absolute best mentality for a stupid person to adopt.

I should point out I hate this mentality when it comes from smart people (either actual smart people or self describe smart people) as well. Too many see happiness as something shameful.

Just because you aren't Frank Miller Batman doesn't make you a Pollyanna and I've always, always fought against "Cynical grumpy nihilism" becoming the defacto "default personality" for intellect.
 
JesseCuster said:
Why not? Maybe God's a dick. Who says God has to be a nice guy or has to make sense?

I'm sure your answer is going to be some evidence free touchy feely ad hoc nonsense.

My contention is that if God exists, he's clearly an *******.
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If there is a God and he created the universe, he is obviously a vast intellect capable of planning an incredible act of creation down to the finest detail. The divine mind would have to make sense to have achieved such a creation.
Clearly, from the cruelty of nature, God does not concern himself much with our suffering. But this could simply mean in the greater scheme of things suffering serves the purpose of forcing change and growth which could not be accomplished without such pressures. Animals are forced to evolve by the struggle between predator and prey, and although individual animals die the species grows stronger for the struggle. So God may not seem to be a nice guy from the point of view of those that suffer, but if life has a higher purpose and outcome such as everlasting, immortal bliss, it may be that our earthly suffering is a small price to pay.
 
JoeMorgue said:
"LOL Smart people are so smart they aren't happy" must be the absolute best mentality for a stupid person to adopt.

I should point out I hate this mentality when it comes from smart people (either actual smart people or self describe smart people) as well. Too many see happiness as something shameful.

Just because you aren't Frank Miller Batman doesn't make you a Pollyanna and I've always, always fought against "Cynical grumpy nihilism" becoming the defacto "default personality" for intellect.
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All well and good, but real talk? You need to fight a lot harder.

And none of the smart people here seem particularly happy.
 
Knowledge and wisdom are different things.

As for being smart and happy, I consider myself to possess both traits to a reasonable degree.
 
JoeMorgue said:
"LOL Smart people are so smart they aren't happy" must be the absolute best mentality for a stupid person to adopt.

I should point out I hate this mentality when it comes from smart people (either actual smart people or self describe smart people) as well. Too many see happiness as something shameful.

Just because you aren't Frank Miller Batman doesn't make you a Pollyanna and I've always, always fought against "Cynical grumpy nihilism" becoming the defacto "default personality" for intellect.
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I don't say intelligent people cannot be happy. But the consensus of opinions on this forum is there is no God. Therefore most people here have to face a universe without a meaning or purpose. But religious people have belief in immortality of the soul and feel comforted by that. It may be that much of their religions doctrines are false beliefs. But that may be because the human mind cannot get a handle on the divine mind. The divine mind is presumably infinitely great, whereas the human mind is limited and finite. Possibly by the fact we are using a physical brain to think with. Occult theory states that when we die the spirit mind expands into greater consciousness because we are no longer held back by the limitations of the physical brain.
 
Scorpion said:
I don't say intelligent people cannot be happy. But the consensus of opinions on this forum is there is no God. Therefore most people here have to face a universe without a meaning or purpose. But religious people have belief in immortality of the soul and feel comforted by that. It may be that much of their religions doctrines are false beliefs. But that may be because the human mind cannot get a handle on the divine mind. The divine mind is presumably infinitely great, whereas the human mind is limited and finite. Possibly by the fact we are using a physical brain to think with. Occult theory states that when we die the spirit mind expands into greater consciousness because we are no longer held back by the limitations of the physical brain.
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A god is not required for existence to be meaningful or have purpose. Meaning and purpose are not required to be happy.
 
Scorpion said:
Occult theory states that when we die the spirit mind expands into greater consciousness because we are no longer held back by the limitations of the physical brain.
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Stupid theories say a lot of stupid things. How happy they make you does not change that.
 
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