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Do allegedly illegal immigrants pay taxes?

AmyStrange

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I'm sure some don't pay taxes, but how do they ALL get around NOT paying state or local sales tax or the federal excise tax on gasoline?

I say allegedly because many of them are not given due process under the fat clown's communist kingship.


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They all pay sales taxes. Some pay federal and state income taxes via stolen or fraudulent SSNs and TIN's, some don't. The guys hanging out in Home depot parking lots, they don't. I suspect few of the house keepers and nannies do. Most working in hospitality and agriculture likely do pay income taxes. As I said in the other thread, most legal businesses want plausible deniability. There is an underground/informal economy in every country, illegal immigrants clearly do take advantage of that to some extent.

I have no idea what the ratio is and how it compares to natives and legal immigrants. I suspect that illegal immigrants skew more toward the informal economy than legals and natives but I doubt by much and wouldn't be too shocked if I was wrong.

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ahhell said:
The all pay sales taxes. Some pay federal and state income taxes via stolen or fraudulent SSNs and TIN's, some don't. The guys hanging out in Home depot parking lots, they don't. I suspect few of the house keepers and nannies do. Most working in hospitality and agriculture like do pay income taxes. As I said in the other thread, most legal businesses want plausible deniability. There is an underground/informal economy in every country, illegal immigrants clearly do take advantage of that to some extent.

I have no idea what the ratio is and how hit compares to natives and legal immigrants. I suspect that illegal immigrants skew more toward the informal economy that legals and natives but I doubt by much and wouldn't be too shocked if I was wrong.
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Thank you, but how exactly do the guys hanging out at the Home Depot get around NOT paying state or local sales tax or the federal excise tax on gasoline?


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AmyStrange said:
Thank you, but how exactly do the guys hanging out at the Home Depot get around NOT paying state or local sales tax or the federal excise tax on gasoline?


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By the same methods others evade taxes. Paying and being paid in cash.
 
catsmate said:
By the same methods others evade taxes. Paying and being paid in cash.
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Are you saying that the allegedly illegal immigrants that hang out at Home Depot don't buy anything in this country?

Maybe some don't, but I highly doubt that ALL of them don't.


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AmyStrange said:
Thank you, but how exactly do the guys hanging out at the Home Depot get around NOT paying state or local sales tax or the federal excise tax on gasoline?


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I'd include the gasoline tax as a sales tax but I guess more properly a consumption tax. So, obviously they do pay pretty much all consumption taxes. I'm sure some can get around it somewhat depending on where they live but probably not anymore than anyone else. Some sales are informal, used goods roadside produce and what not but I doubt its significant. Its all about how much you can actually do in cash vs not, I'm sure it is possible in some places in the US to live entirely outside of the formal economy, I can't imagine its easy or common.

It is really only income and payroll taxes that can be avoided to any significance. I'm sure there are some official estimates by the IRS but being informal, I'm sure there's huge error bars.
 
AmyStrange said:
Are you saying allegedly illegal immigrants don't buy anything in this country?

Maybe some don't, but I highly doubt ALL of them don't.


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:confused: I have no idea how you got that from my post.
People working in the Black and Grey economies ('illegal-economy participants') are paid for their activities in cash and in turn pay for goods and services in cash.

Though 'cash' also includes media like debit cards paid for in cash and financial services which can be used with dubious identification.
 
catsmate said:
:confused: I have no idea how you got that from my post.
People working in the Black and Grey economies ('illegal-economy participants') are paid for their activities in cash and in turn pay for goods and services in cash.

Though 'cash' also includes media like debit cards paid for in cash and financial services which can be used with dubious identification.
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Thank you for your answer, and I apologize if I misinterpreted your previous comment, but I did ask it as a question and not as an arguement against what you posted.

Although maybe I shouldn't have added my comment after the question.


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AmyStrange said:
Thank you for your answer, and I apologize if I misinterpreted your previous comment, but I did ask it as a question and not as an arguement against what you posted.

Although maybe I shouldn't have added my comment after the question.


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No problem.
 
AmyStrange said:
Thank you for your answer, and I apologize if I misinterpreted your previous comment, but I did ask it as a question and not as an arguement against what you posted.

Although maybe I shouldn't have added my comment after the question.


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The complaint is about income taxes, not consumption/sales taxes.

You're being over-literal.
 
theprestige said:
The complaint is about income taxes, not consumption taxes.
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Actually, most of the comments that I've seen were that allegedly illegal immigrants pay NO taxes. For example:

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Post in thread 'Who should run for the Dems?'

Illegal workers dont pay taxes. If they did they risk getting nabbed by ICE. And the employer risks getting nabbed by the DOJ.

They are paid in CASH and dont report their income.
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It's why I started this thread, and maybe you should complain about posters who make blanket statements like that, but please, go ahead and pretend I'm the one being over-literal.

As a matter of fact (if you read the comments after the above one), you'll see that they argued that I was wrong about paying taxes.

For example:

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Post in thread 'Who should run for the Dems?'

AmyStrange said:
How about sales tax or federal tax on gasoline.


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Yeah, they pay sales tax when they buy stuff. Maybe. Or their clever and offer to pay in cash and no sales tax charged.

Migrant workers dont pay income tax or FICA.

H

Post in thread 'Who should run for the Dems?'

AmyStrange said:
How are they getting away with not paying state and local taxes?


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They get paid in cash. No one knows they are working, so dont need to pay taxes.

That's how my co-worker pays his undocumented day laborers. $100 a piece in cash per day. No taxes paid or withheld.


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theprestige said:
The complaint is about income taxes, not consumption/sales taxes.

You're being over-literal.
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Although, I do agree somewhat with your post, I've also spent countless hours arguing my point with many of the fat clown's maga weirdoes (in many of the MSN and fox entertainment forums) who say alleged illegal immigrants send their kids to public school, but don't pay taxes to help cover it.


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theprestige said:
The complaint is about income taxes, not consumption/sales taxes.

You're being over-literal.
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And even there, one thing that fact-checking Musk's claims about 150-year-olds claiming social security showed was that the main misuse of social security numbers was undocumented workers using one so they could work (and were therefore paying income tax).
 
Immigrant children, including the children of illegal aliens do tend to strain the school system more than natives mostly on account of not being English speakers. Any rate, it is an extra burden on the education system that tends to be concentrated in low income areas with schools that are already at the lower end of funding. Immigration is mostly a good but there are some negative consequences that are mostly borne by the folks at the lower end of income and wealth. The rich and powerful only benefit via cheap labor but don't generally have to deal with any the negative consequences, they're neighborhoods aren't changing, their kids aren't going to schools that have to deal with large numbers of non-English speakers.
 
AmyStrange said:
Actually, most of the comments that I've seen were that allegedly illegal immigrants pay NO taxes. For example:

H

Post in thread 'Who should run for the Dems?'

Illegal workers dont pay taxes. If they did they risk getting nabbed by ICE. And the employer risks getting nabbed by the DOJ.

They are paid in CASH and dont report their income.
  • Haha

It's why I started this thread, and maybe you should complain about posters who make blanket statements like that, but please, go ahead and pretend I'm the one being over-literal.

As a matter of fact (if you read the comments after the above one), you'll see that they argued that I was wrong about paying taxes.

For example:

H

Post in thread 'Who should run for the Dems?'

AmyStrange said:
How about sales tax or federal tax on gasoline.


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Yeah, they pay sales tax when they buy stuff. Maybe. Or their clever and offer to pay in cash and no sales tax charged.

Migrant workers dont pay income tax or FICA.

H

Post in thread 'Who should run for the Dems?'

AmyStrange said:
How are they getting away with not paying state and local taxes?


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They get paid in cash. No one knows they are working, so dont need to pay taxes.

That's how my co-worker pays his undocumented day laborers. $100 a piece in cash per day. No taxes paid or withheld.


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Your first example is clearly about income taxes. Your other two citations are clearly repeating the theme of income taxes.
 
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