Disputation with Gordon Ross

[pomeroo]

You tell him, Ron. In fact I benighted a bastard this coming September in London of the city of England by some real smart dukes and dukesses cuz of what I done to the twoofers and their arguments. Them royalties know, sure nuff. And it was a lot harder for me too because I didn't even have a British accent when I took those stupid idiot twoofers on! So how could they know I was smart? I did it with shear Tom Foolery, that's what.

I'm actually considering changing the tagline under my handle from "Unpaid Gubmint Shill" to "Benighted Bastard of Orthodoxy." How does it sound to you? Pretty catchy, I'd say.

 

[rwguinn]

David Wong:

Well, once again, you are assuming... a priori... that you have the moral high ground BEFORE the debate begins and therefore that you could not possibly "lose" the debate even if you debated poorly and resorted to calling the other side "idiots", "stupid", "liars", etc, because TRUTH is on your side.

You are supposed to be a scientist? It is not because "TRUTH" is on our side--physics is on our side. Styling these discussions as "Debates" is an absolute misnomer--one might as well debate the value of 2+2, or what happens when iron and sulpher are mixed in the presence of heat.
There is no "Moral High Ground" in these discussions. Physics is what it is. There is no halfway, or moral right here. It is the way things are, have been, and will be. Mother Nature is an absolutely amoral, non-judgemental b*^ch.
Breaking the laws of man can get you incarcerated, possibly killed. Breaking the laws of god get your soul condemned to hell, unless you beg forgivness. However, even attempting to break natural laws is generally fatal-usually on the spot.

 

[pomeroo]

Uh, I hate to intrude on the hilarity, but I was wondering if we could actually get the disputation off the ground. Does anyone have any ideas? I mean, Ross is on board.

 

[WildCat]

If I see a NISTian on a plane, I'll kill him!




Full disclosure: I spent the evening drinking beer on a friend's boat, and watched the fireworks off Navy Pier. The bike ride home did little to sober me up. Anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot and a shill.

 

[Gravy]

If I see a NISTian on a plane, I'll kill him!

It's Claus Wildcat, the world's most dangerous skeptic!

 

[Apollo20]

ConspiRaider:

The quote about the moral law within is actually taken from Immanuel Kant's Critique of Practical Reason.

And, Rwguinn, I agree that the Laws of Physics have nothing to do with morality, but we are talking about how to debate "conspiracy theories" without mud slinging. While we may all partake in some verbal jousting from time to time, I cannot accept people who use the terms "idiot", "stupid" or "liar" to describe anyone who posts on this site..... Having been through TWO law suits (and won both), I know that you must be very careful about accusing someone of lying. You need to prove that the person DELIBERATELY said something that they KNOW to be untrue..... good luck with that!

And good luck with your disputation with GR .....

 

[T.A.M.]

Apollo:

The fact is, in any debate involving an issue that has moral or emotional implications, both parties will take what they percieve as a "moral high ground".

eg. Abortion...

Pro-Life - God says it is wrong
Pro-choice - it is an given human right, freedom of choice

See, both claim to be in the moral "high ground", why, because the outcome of the debate will be a moral one.

9/11:
Debunkers - False Accusations of murdering innocent people is wrong
Truthers - The murder of thousands of innocent people for political/financial gain is wrong.

See...

TAM

 

[uk_dave]

I know that you must be very careful about accusing someone of lying. You need to prove that the person DELIBERATELY said something that they KNOW to be untrue..... good luck with that!

And good luck with your disputation with GR .....

That may possibly be the only way the 'truthers' claims will ever be tested in court.

 

[Crungy]

If I see a NISTian on a plane, I'll kill him!




Full disclosure: I spent the evening drinking beer on a friend's boat, and watched the fireworks off Navy Pier. The bike ride home did little to sober me up. Anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot and a shill.

Which harbor? I have a friend who's parked at Monroe. I was out on Tuesday. Nice ride, but still a bit cold far out. The Pilsner, Pacifico and Three Floyds helped out. We usually go Wednesday to catch the fireworks. I hop on after my 16" at Grant Park.

I've got to be on the Harrison intake crib next week for a fuel tank pressure test. UL wouldn't certify it (damn that Kevin Ryan!), but I still spec'd it out per UL 142 standard.

 

[pomeroo]

ConspiRaider:

The quote about the moral law within is actually taken from Immanuel Kant's Critique of Practical Reason.

And, Rwguinn, I agree that the Laws of Physics have nothing to do with morality, but we are talking about how to debate "conspiracy theories" without mud slinging. While we may all partake in some verbal jousting from time to time, I cannot accept people who use the terms "idiot", "stupid" or "liar" to describe anyone who posts on this site..... Having been through TWO law suits (and won both), I know that you must be very careful about accusing someone of lying. You need to prove that the person DELIBERATELY said something that they KNOW to be untrue..... good luck with that!

And good luck with your disputation with GR .....

Frank, I invited you to participate in a disputation with Gordon Ross to address his response to your new paper. You declined. I started this thread to round up a team of two or three qualified disputants, and commented that although I wanted you to lead the team, you weren't interested. You then informed me publicly that what I claimed was inaccurate.

I'm going to lead with my chin here and ask if I'm confused because I'm dumb, or is my confusion entirely justified.