Directed-energy weapons and the WTC

[Alferd_Packer]

What are the "aftereffects" of DEW in matter, and how do these after effects persist once the energy source is turned off?

 

[Alferd_Packer]

3) How does dirt "quench" the aftereffects of DEW? How come DEWs affect steel and concrete but not dirt?

 

[~enigma~]

2) How does a DEW affect matter?

Well dew tends to make things wet

 

[Alferd_Packer]

4) Do DEWs affect billiard balls?

 

[Alferd_Packer]

Well dew tends to make things wet

I'm not going to touch that one with a ten foot pole.

 

[OldTigerCub]

OK, back to the subject.

2) How does a DEW affect matter?

What are the "aftereffects" of DEW in matter, and how do these after effects persist once the energy source is turned off?

I have found that a "Dew" makes things rather sticky, if you spill it.

 

[Loss Leader]

Exactly what kind of directed-energy weapon do you propose was used?

Here you go.

Hope this helps.

 

[sts60]

Fair enough. I didn't see the thread. I don't mean cherry picking as far as picking a selective quote to prove a point, just in a more casual sense that forcing a debate on DEW is easy pickens, an easy argument to knock down.

I think that almost any specific claim is suitable for a separate discussion thread, given the enormous amount of traffic on this board. I agree it would be "cherry picking" if I said that Death-Rays-From-The-Sky was the main claim of 9/11 conspiracists, but I also stipulate that most reject this notion. (I think that most of the other MIHOP claims are almost equally as ridiculous, but that's irrelevant here.)

I see that jammonius has been busy posting on the "Debris Pile" thread, where she indicated she would participate in a separate DEW thread:

Why doesn't someone start a DEW thread if that is what posters want to discuss? DEW is an interesting topic. I'm interested in it. I will engage in the discussion, if it is one, but not here in this thread. I have already indicated I won't likely respond immediately as I don't have time for back and forth put downs. But if people want to assess the issue of directed energy weaponry, then I suggest a new thread.

Invitation accepted; jammonius, the thread is ready and waiting for your participation.

 

[RedIbis]

I think that almost any specific claim is suitable for a separate discussion thread, given the enormous amount of traffic on this board. I agree it would be "cherry picking" if I said that Death-Rays-From-The-Sky was the main claim of 9/11 conspiracists, but I also stipulate that most reject this notion. (I think that most of the other MIHOP claims are almost equally as ridiculous, but that's irrelevant here.)

I see that jammonius has been busy posting on the "Debris Pile" thread, where she indicated she would participate in a separate DEW thread:

Invitation accepted; jammonius, the thread is ready and waiting for your participation.

Reading back on that quote and thread, I see where jam suggests a new thread, not necessarily a personalized debate.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Reading back on that quote and thread, I see where jam suggests a new thread, not necessarily a personalized debate.

Reading back on the thread title, I don't see where it says "Come and engage in a personalised debate".

Dave

 

[sts60]

Reading back on that quote and thread, I see where jam suggests a new thread, not necessarily a personalized debate.

jammonius is AFAIK the only member of this forum actively promoting the DEW claim. If asking her about those claims makes it a "personalized debate", then so be it; but I am not interested in anything other than discussing the specific claims, their technical ramifications, and relevant evidence. I would ask all participants to refrain from off-topic discussions (e.g., debris-pile height) or personal attacks.

RedIbis, your comments are noted. Do you have anything to say about the DEW claims themselves?

 

[KoihimeNakamura]

No, no, it was clearly REQUIEM.

 

[Klimax]

No, no, it was clearly REQUIEM.

Can't be REQUIEM...it has too large area effect.(Altough it was trimmed down of what GENESIS had... )

I think Phaser type IV would be enough. And please,do not bring type 20,Earth is still here... (taken from SCE series)

Maybe I will find another nice beam weapons,it just takes some time...

ETA:
positron rifle or Macross energy cannon...more may come...

ETA2:
Lohengrin positron blaster cannon...

 

[ktesibios]

Can't be REQUIEM...it has too large area effect.(Altough it was trimmed down of what GENESIS had... )

I think Phaser type IV would be enough. And please,do not bring type 20,Earth is still here... (taken from SCE series)

Maybe I will find another nice beam weapons,it just takes some time...

ETA:
positron rifle or Macross energy cannon...more may come...

ETA2:
Lohengrin positron blaster cannon...

I've got it!

It was one of these!

 

[Klimax]

I've got it!

It was one of these!

Problem...too small...

 

[jammonius]

Greetings, posters

Well, I must say, I do think there's possible interest in pursuing a discussion of directed energy weaponry.

The problem here, like that of reading the actual witness statements as was brought up in the debris thread, is that there are no shortcuts. The information base on DEW is vast and no one who posts here should be deemed to know any more or any less than anyone else. Certainly, speaking for me, I am not going to take on the role of tutor to anyone. That is a thankless task. And, besides, lurking out there, somewhere, are people who know more about the subject than I do, so let them chime in.

Permit me to make the following suggestion.

Would each person who would like to engage in a DEW discussion please start by indicating what their current understanding of the subject consists in; together with a basic assertion as to whether they think such weapons exist and have been deployed in some venue or another?

Needless to say, those who really know, won't say; and I'm not prying.

I will start by saying that although the information available to the general public (which is what I am limited to) makes it absolutely clear that DEW are deployed on land, at sea and in the air, at all levels of height, including earth orbit, it is not possible to be specific down to the level of, say, knowing the serial numbers of the gizmos or any other exacting inquiry, beyond more than a few of the weapons.

Now, if I do not make any other post in this thread or say anything else; or, if I make numerous other posts in this thread and say a lot, there is nothing, not one single thing, that I can or will say that will be any more revealing than what I am about to say.

Hear this:

DEW are impracticable as weapons and the US military is resisting their use. That is the most important information I can impart.

DEW operate at the speed of light and they are calibratable over a wide range of lethal effects over a variety of distance parameters. One slip up, and you could cause havoc. They can be, and are, WMDs and they can merely sting you at the other end of their lethality spectrum. They can also control your thought process and make you jump, and therein lies, another clue. The use of DEW create a chain-of-command nightmare.

I don't know the exact upper range of their lethality, but I fear they can destroy the earth. I assert they pulverized 2 110 storey buildings in <10seconds. The query then is, what can they destroy if the beam remains on for 20 seconds, for 1 minute?

I cannot serve as answerer of all questions. DEW are easy to google and you can start anyplace, including wikipedia, if you just want background information. The only other thing I'll say is the closer you look, the more you can know.

 

[applecorped]

I love Mountain Dew. The new flavors are okay but nothing beats the original. I had no idea that mountain dew brought down WTC. I would think that will hurt the brand image.

 

[Timothy]

They can also control your thought process ...

Wow. Just wow.

I don't know the exact upper range of their lethality, but I fear they can destroy the earth. I assert they pulverized 2 110 storey buildings in <10seconds. The query then is, what can they destroy if the beam remains on for 20 seconds, for 1 minute?

Well, duh, obviously 4 110-story buildings and 12 110-story buildings, respectively. But where do you get the energy to run it continuously for the 2 billion years necessary to destroy Earth?

(10 seconds can destroy 10^9 kg. 1 sec can destroy 10^8 kg. Would take 6 x 10^16 sec, or 2 billion years, to destroy 6 x 10^24 kg of the Earth)

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Fair enough. I didn't see the thread. I don't mean cherry picking as far as picking a selective quote to prove a point, just in a more casual sense that forcing a debate on DEW is easy pickens, an easy argument to knock down.

Just as easy as knocking down the claims that WTC7 had only a "few small fires" or that it "wasn't hit by anything".

 

[ewing2001]

tinyurl com/5v9u27
updated History of 'Directed Energy Weapons'

[updated and based on research by ewing2001 aka nico haupt, also highlighted at fcs[dot]shortURL[dot]com ]