Differing Models on the Origin of Higher Taxa

[Paulhoff]

Which makes more sense? That chemicals spontaneously generated biological life or that an Intelligent Agent did?

And what made that Intelligent Agent.......


Paul



And who said that first biological life is anything like what is around today with over 3 billions years of EVOLUTION behind it.


Paul

 

[randman]

"Made" implies a point before and after in time, and though ID as far as biology goes could just mean aliens, I think you are asking what made God, which is based on the assumption God is limited by time rather than time being a creation of His.

There is no before or after God.

If you are talking about forensically detecting intelligence, then you need not know who or what the designer is specifically, just like evos insist they don't need to show how the first life form arrived here.

 

[Reality Check]

"Made" implies a point before and after in time, and though ID as far as biology goes could just mean aliens, I think you are asking what made God, which is based on the assumption God is limited by time rather than time being a creation of His.

There is no before or after God.

If you are talking about forensically detecting intelligence, then you need not know who or what the designer is specifically, just like evos insist they don't need to show how the first life form arrived here.

Thank you for labeling ID a religion not a science - I am sure that the ID proponents will also thank you .
Religions involve supernatural beings like Wotan, Ra or God.

One important flaw with ID is that quesiton of who designed the designer

• No designer = a supernatual being, e,g. Satan.
• A designer = who deswigned that designer, etc. Leading to
  • an infinitely old universe (the evidence is against this).
  • a supernatual being, e,g. the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

 

[truethat]

"Made" implies a point before and after in time, and though ID as far as biology goes could just mean aliens, I think you are asking what made God, which is based on the assumption God is limited by time rather than time being a creation of His.

There is no before or after God.

If you are talking about forensically detecting intelligence, then you need not know who or what the designer is specifically, just like evos insist they don't need to show how the first life form arrived here.

They don't. Evolution is not about origins. I keep telling you this and you keep accusing me of being the one who brings up origins, but you bring it up all the time.

There is no before or after an imaginary entity invented by people. AKA "Magic." I can't see the appeal of fairy tales when asking about reality. If you are going to ask the question at least use some logic.

 

[Paulhoff]

"Made" implies a point before and after in time, and though ID as far as biology goes could just mean aliens,

So what aliens made said "aliens", seeing that you can't understand what made life change here on this planet............

Paul

 

[aggle-rithm]

"Made" implies a point before and after in time, and though ID as far as biology goes could just mean aliens, I think you are asking what made God, which is based on the assumption God is limited by time rather than time being a creation of His.

There is no before or after God.

If you are talking about forensically detecting intelligence, then you need not know who or what the designer is specifically, just like evos insist they don't need to show how the first life form arrived here.

You're making several gargantuan assumptions here.

The only assumptions you must make to accept abiogenesis is that the right chemicals were in place under the right conditions, and that it is possible for these chemicals to form increasingly complex molecules that eventually begin to self-replicate.

Even though we don't know the exact mechanism for it, given what we know about chemicals this isn't that great a stretch. Certainly not as great as assuming an all-powerful entity that exists independently of time and has never been observed.