Split Thread Difference between Antifa and the Proud Boys

Let us not forget this memorable stunt:

The Proud Boys Are Furious That Gay Men Have Taken Over #ProudBoys On Twitter (Forbes, Oct 4, 2020)
Twitter users flood #ProudBoys hashtag with gay pride images (Reuters, Oct 4, 2020)
Proud Boys: Far-right group becomes LGBT trend online (BBC, Oct 5, 2020)
Gay Twitter users flood #ProudBoys hashtag with LGBTQ pride images (NBC News, Oct 5, 2020)

So maybe PB events like these are retaliation:

Proud Boys storm into Drag Queen event at Bay Area library (Fox KTVU, June 12, 2022)

Drag queen events are increasingly targeted by right-wing demonstrators (PBS NewsHour on YouTube, Dec 6, 2022)

Proud Boys Hit With INSTANT KARMA After Attempting To Shut Down Drag Queen Story Hour (The Young Turks on YouTube, March 21, 2023)

But it could also just be a sign that the Proud Boys are a little LGBTQrious ...

Brainster will probably claim that the Proud Boys suspected that Antifa members were hiding in the audience since he describes the PBs as a "Bunch of tards who think they are saving America from Antifa." If it wasn't because they were on the lookout for Antifa, the PBs still seem to be very much aligned with the GOP.
 
Norman Alexander said:
It's been said many times before...

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Antifa would consider our soldiers and their beliefs to be "fascist". Segregated army fighting for a country full of racist segregation, discrimination and rampant inequality.
 
Hercules56 said:
Antifa would consider our soldiers and their beliefs to be "fascist". Segregated army fighting for a country full of racist segregation, discrimination and rampant inequality.
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You know this how?

Antifa is made up of all types from loads of various organizations. It has no central leadership, and no doctrine beyond "oppose the nazis trying to terrorize people". Its ranks may include full on IWW members, but may also include Libertarians who don't like the authoritarianism fascism brings. Garret Forrest, for example - the guy murdered in cold blood at a BLM protest in Texas by a psychopath rightie that Gov Abbot wants to pardon was such a person.

These various people may not even like each other "off the field", but when facing the Proud Boys and company, they know who has their back.
 
Hercules56 said:
Antifa would consider our soldiers and their beliefs to be "fascist".
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It's not unlikely that some of them would.

Segregated army fighting for a country full of racist segregation, discrimination and rampant inequality.
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The irony of a country like that fighting racist Nazis is worth thinking about. It isn't very likely that what the USA had against Nazi Germany was its racist ideology, is it?! If Hitler hadn't started conquering other countries, there is reason to assume that he would have been left alone to do what he did to Jews, Romani, communists and homosexuals.
 
dann said:
It's not unlikely that some of them would.




The irony of a country like that fighting racist Nazis is worth thinking about. It isn't very likely that what the USA had against Nazi Germany was its racist ideology, is it?! If Hitler hadn't started conquering other countries, there is reason to assume that he would have been left alone to do what he did to Jews, Romani, communists and homosexuals.
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Yes, if Hitler only annexed Austria and Czechoslovakia, the world would have let him terribly persecuted everyone under his rule. Nazi Germany would still exist today.

The USA was not anti-Nazi, we were pro-Free Europe.
 
Hercules56 said:
Norman Alexander said:
It's been said many times before...

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Antifa would consider our soldiers and their beliefs to be "fascist". Segregated army fighting for a country full of racist segregation, discrimination and rampant inequality.
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Once again for the slower ones in the back of the class: Who was the USA fighting in this picture?
 
Norman Alexander said:
Once again for the slower ones in the back of the class: Who was the USA fighting in this picture?
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Once again, the USA was perfectly fine with the Nazis instituting terrible discrimination against their minority populations, seizing Austria and Czechoslovakia. Anti-Nazi? Hardly.
 
Hercules56 said:
Yes, if Hitler only annexed Austria and Czechoslovakia, the world would have let him terribly persecuted everyone under his rule. Nazi Germany would still exist today.

The USA was not anti-Nazi, we were pro-Free Europe.
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Its actually unclear if the US would have entered the war against the Nazi's when they did if Hitler had not forced their hand by declaring war to support the Japanese.
 
Antifa: irrelevent* makers of minor league mayhem

Proud Boys: Racist seditionists who tried to overturn democracy in cooperation with MAGA fascists


* Other than the way right wing deplorables wave them about to obscure their demented actions
 
It's a historical fact that the Anschluss could not have happened if the militant anti-fascists in Austria hadn't all been killed or arrested before.

I would go so far as to say that for its survival, a Democracy needs people who are willing to oppose authoritarianism by extra-legal means if necessary.
 
There is no leadership in Antifa only a shared Idiology.

The Proud Boys Leaders thanks to the Humanitarian Donald Trump get 20 plus years of Free Room and Board off the United States Taxpayers
 
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The Great Zaganza said:
It's a historical fact that the Anschluss could not have happened if the militant anti-fascists in Austria hadn't all been killed or arrested before.

I would go so far as to say that for its survival, a Democracy needs people who are willing to oppose authoritarianism by extra-legal means if necessary.
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Germany's democracy would have lasted if they didn't make it so damn easy to amend their Constitution. Majority vote to install dictatorship?? Insane.
 
Lukraak_Sisser said:
Its actually unclear if the US would have entered the war against the Nazi's when they did if Hitler had not forced their hand by declaring war to support the Japanese.
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The borderline unrestricted U-boat attacks on US shipping probably would have provided something sooner or later.
 
Hercules56 said:
Yes, if Hitler only annexed Austria and Czechoslovakia, the world would have let him terribly persecuted everyone under his rule. Nazi Germany would still exist today.

The USA was not anti-Nazi, we were pro-Free Europe.
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So in your definition, Europe would have been free if Germany, Austria and Czechoslovakia (+ Italy, Spain and Portugal) had been ruled by fascists (or corporatist authoritarians, which is how Portugal at that time is described)?
 
dann said:
So in your definition, Europe would have been free if Germany, Austria and Czechoslovakia (+ Italy, Spain and Portugal) had been ruled by fascists (or corporatist authoritarians, which is how Portugal at that time is described)?
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Meh....
 
dann said:
The irony of a country like that fighting racist Nazis is worth thinking about. It isn't very likely that what the USA had against Nazi Germany was its racist ideology, is it?! If Hitler hadn't started conquering other countries, there is reason to assume that he would have been left alone to do what he did to Jews, Romani, communists and homosexuals.
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It could have been a big reason and just compartmentalized for that moment.

It's likely that many who fought for the Union in the American Civil War weren't that friendly to black Americans to begin with and didn't provide them the necessary support in the Reconstruction era, but the agenda of both sides in that war is clear.
 
Hercules56 said:
Yes, if Hitler only annexed Austria and Czechoslovakia, the world would have let him terribly persecuted everyone under his rule. Nazi Germany would still exist today.

The USA was not anti-Nazi, we were pro-Free Europe.
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Hercules56 said:
Once again, the USA was perfectly fine with the Nazis instituting terrible discrimination against their minority populations, seizing Austria and Czechoslovakia. Anti-Nazi? Hardly.
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FDR was well aware that if Europe was allowed to fall to the Nazis, then it would only be a matter of time before Hitler turned his attention towards North America

But all this is off topic.
 
Hercules56 said:
Yes, if Hitler only annexed Austria and Czechoslovakia, the world would have let him terribly persecuted everyone under his rule. Nazi Germany would still exist today.

The USA was not anti-Nazi, we were pro-Free Europe.
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A slight rephrase (without changing the meaning by one iota) of the highlighted reads: "The USA was not anti-Nazi, we were anti-Nazi."

When spouting absolute gibberish and nonsense that lets us know you know nothing of what you're talking about, the worst thing to do is to keep spouting.

Remember, better to keep silent and have the world think you a fool; than to speak out and remove all doubt.
 
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