Split Thread Difference between Antifa and the Proud Boys

lomiller said:
The Pacific Northwest is a hotspot for Fascism. Rural fascists are trying to force compliance on those living in urban areas which is breeding conflict.
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Recall that they used to drive into the cities for funsies and jam traffic, shoot random people with frozen paintballs, and spray pepper spray at people stuck in traffic. This didn’t stop because they were asked nicely.
 
Proud Boys: a formal neo-fascist incel/homophobic/etc organization promoting violence against members of the public and against our nation and institutions. They aggressively attack the US and it's citizens.

Antifa: a loose ideology that says "you know, I really hate these Nazi twats. Let's get together and show them the door". They aggressively counterattack the fascists.

Not seeing a lot of comparisons here
 
Proud boys: Bunch of tards who think they are saving America from Antifa.
Antifa: Bunch of tards who think they are saving America from the Proud Boys.
 
Brainster said:
Proud boys: Bunch of tards who think they are saving America from Antifa.
Antifa: Bunch of tards who think they are saving America from the Proud Boys.
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If left by themselves without the threat of the rightwing, The Antifa crowd probably would mostly dissipate and ease back into the general population.

Proud boys however are not like that. They are basically domestic terrorists.
 
Brainster said:
Proud boys: Bunch of tards who think they are saving America from Antifa.
Antifa: Bunch of tards who think they are saving America from the Proud Boys.
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How many antifa or their leaders orchestrated an attack on, say, our nation's Capitol during an election certification? They're really not comparable, man.
 
Brainster said:
Proud boys: Bunch of tards who think they are saving America from Antifa the Libruls.
Antifa: Bunch of tards who think they are saving America from the Proud Boys Anti-Fascist who were blamed for the coup attempt at the Capitol for a week or two after Jan 6 until that coup attempt was entirely embraced by MAGA, the former president and the rest of the GOP.
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FTFY

Not even Brainster actually believes the Proud MAGA Boys stormed the Capitol because they believed that Antifa had taken the members of Congress hostage.
 
Venom said:
If left by themselves without the threat of the rightwing, The Antifa crowd probably would mostly dissipate and ease back into the general population.

Proud boys however are not like that. They are basically domestic terrorists.
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I suspect it's more likely that, in the absence of a real Fascist threat, the definition of "who's a Fascist" will instead become ever looser. They'll never run out of Fascists to fight since it's their Raison d'Etre.
 
Ron Obvious said:
I suspect it's more likely that, in the absence of a real Fascist threat, the definition of "who's a Fascist" will instead become ever looser. They'll never run out of Fascists to fight since it's their Raison d'Etre.
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Are they targeting any individuals or groups that are not pretty far right? Like, are they beating up Greenpeace or something? Calling drag queens "Nazis"? They weren't around much when the far right was staying quiet under their rocks. When the far right comes out, antifa comes out. When the far right leaves, so does antifa.

That's the big difference. Antifa reacts to fascist presence, and when there are no fascists hanging around, there's no antifa. But the Proud Boys et al attack our citizens and institutions without an antifa Boogeyman provoking them. Antifa was not on the Capitol steps, daring Proud Boys to attack our representatives. The fascists did that all by themselves.
 
Ron Obvious said:
I suspect it's more likely that, in the absence of a real Fascist threat, the definition of "who's a Fascist" will instead become ever looser. They'll never run out of Fascists to fight since it's their Raison d'Etre.
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You guys go to a lot of lengths to fret over anti-fascists while giving a lot of leeway to fascists.
 
Thermal said:
Proud Boys: a formal neo-fascist incel/homophobic/etc organization promoting violence against members of the public and against our nation and institutions. They aggressively attack the US and it's citizens.

Antifa: a loose ideology that says "you know, I really hate these Nazi twats. Let's get together and show them the door". They aggressively counterattack the fascists.

Not seeing a lot of comparisons here
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This comparison is damned close to the truth.

Brainster said:
Proud boys: Bunch of tards who think they are saving America from Antifa.
Antifa: Bunch of tards who think they are saving America from the Proud Boys.
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This comparison is America-centric claptrap. To listen to you, anyone would think that only America has fascists and Antifa.
 
kookbreaker said:
You guys go to a lot of lengths to fret over anti-fascists while giving a lot of leeway to fascists.
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Though what Ron Obvious says does happen, antifascists don't seem to have anywhere near the tacit support from mainstream liberals that fascists do from Republican politicians.

It takes all of this for them to be "both bad". God forbid Antifa matches their energy in any setting.
 
Hercules56 said:
,[49] with media reporting antifa protesters "throwing Molotov cocktails and smashing windows"[77] and causing $100,000 worth of damage.[106]
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I always laughed at this.. $100,000 worth of damage? Thats like 1 SUV or something. I really can't figure out how inefficient the rioters are with molotovs and window smashing if they only get $100,000 damage caused. They should take lessons from the French.

And then it's paraded by RW media like it's hoooooorrrriibble.. To me it looks just a mountain out of a molehill-type of clickbaiting.
 
I'd say the difference between the Proud Boys and antifa protesters are the weapons owned/used, or lack thereof.
 
Brainster said:
Proud boys: Bunch of tards who think they are saving America from Antifa.
Antifa: Bunch of tards who think they are saving America from the Proud Boys.
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that is BS, and you know it.
Antifa is NOT the primary target of the proud boys, in fact they avoid them when they can. They prefer softer targets.

And Antifa is going against all Fascists, as the name implies.

Also, as mentioned, Antifa doesn't have leaders or a command structure.

And, of course, the President and Leader of your Party isn't calling on Antifa for assistance like he did for the Proud Boys.

Stop making excuses for seditionists.
 
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Hercules56 said:
,[49] with media reporting antifa protesters "throwing Molotov cocktails and smashing windows"[77] and causing $100,000 worth of damage.[106]
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I always laughed at this.. $100,000 worth of damage? Thats like 1 SUV or something. I really can't figure out how inefficient the rioters are with molotovs and window smashing if they only get $100,000 damage caused. They should take lessons from the French.

And then it's paraded by RW media like it's hoooooorrrriibble.. To me it looks just a mountain out of a molehill-type of clickbaiting.
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In the same Hercules56 post, there was also this link to a Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Dayton_shooting

Betts, the perpetrator, appeared to have had some left-leaning sympathies, but:
An investigation concluded by the FBI in 2021 found that Betts "acted alone and was not directed by any organization or aligned to any specific ideological group," and that he "fantasized about mass shootings, serial killings, and murder-suicide for at least a decade".
2019 Dayton shooting: Perpetrator (Wikipedia)
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The difference is simple. Antifa want to finish the job GIs started in World War 2 whereas the Proud Boys want to finish the job the Einsatzgruppen started (albeit without having to face armed opposition).
 
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