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Did Epstein run a World Satanic Ring?

Vixen said:
Bearing in mind there has been no trial, the commonly accepted facts are as follows:


  • Epstein started off as a mediocre maths teacher and fired.
  • He has no finance qualifications such as a CPA or MBA.
  • He is not a qualified financial advisor or registered stockbroker or hedge fund manager.
  • His only known 'client' is Les Wexner.
  • Wexner runs Victoria's Secrets lingerie empire using young teenage girls to model the range at 'shows'.
  • Some auditions for these 'lingerie fashion' shows took place at Epstein's NY mansion.
  • This mansion once belonged to Wexner who gave Epstein Powerof Attorney to transfer it to his name, together with the island and other locations.
  • Epstein bought Little St James for a few million bucks with Wexner's money.
  • Epstein's one-time girlfriend Ghislaine Maxwell, the daughter of Robert Maxwell whom many believe was a Mossad agent.
  • The owner of Seagram distillers has a ranch within six miles of Epstein's in New Mexico; no-one else is around for many miles.
  • Seagram's daughter, and multi-billionaire heiress, Sara Bronfman is a leading member of satanic cult LXIVM.
  • LXIVM placed young girls in a school for excellence in Mexico and later procured them to work as sex slaves in NY for Keith Raniere, founder of LXIVM.
  • The inner circle of LXIVM is based on latinised mottos and rituals involving masters and servants, with young women branded with Raniere's initials, or his high priestess' Allison Mack who also branded girls with her initials, as being owned by the cult.
  • Listed in Epstein's 'black book' is not only Prince Andrew but also *Prince Charles*.
  • Prince Charles was a close friend of paedophile procurer Jimmy Savile, who called himself the *eminence grise', who abused over 300 young girls and boys but was never investigated, either.
  • Prince Andrew met Ghislaine Maxwell at Oxford but may also have known Epstein via Prince Charles.
  • Prince Andrew ran a yacht club called Golden Naples Ltd (iirc) which he registered under a false name.
  • Prince Andrew is pictured lying on a yacht surrounded by young women in skimpy swimwear, some topless.
  • Meghan Markle is rumoured to have been a 'yacht girl' and it may have been Prince Andrew who set her up with Prince Harry [it is claimed].
  • Meghan knows secrets about Prince Charles and Prince Andrew which is why she has a hold over the Royal Family [is the grapevine]
  • Epstein was fabulously rich, far richer than his association with Wexner would suggest.
  • The FBI found documents in his safe including a fake Austrian passport with his photo, different name and a Saudi Arabian address.
  • The passport is dated in the 1980's and investigators believe he travelled to various European countries using it, including the UK.
  • The association with Maxwell and his incongruously enormous wealth (net worth at death: $550m), together with Austrian passport indicates he worked as an intelligence agent.
  • The issue of the hundreds of young teenage girls he procured for parties for his middle-aged male high powered 'movers and shakers' friends suggests a blackmailing racket as they were likely filmed in compromising positions with the girls.
  • Epstein aimed to impregnate fifty girls at a time and with leading scientists. Accusers have come forward claiming orgies.
  • Not only did Epstein and Maxwell procure underage girls as well as young adults, they appear to have run a baby making racket (cf Virginia Guiffre).
  • Nobody knows what has happened to all these young girls, many of whom were runaways and from trailer parks.
  • One night in his prison cell, Epstein died from neck injuries compatible with a ligature around his throat.
  • Epstein was in a single cell, when he usually had a companion. The CCTV cameras to his cell door were dead that night, the guards were low-level incompetents who didn't bother with surveillance.

Conclusion: procuring young females for the sexual gratification of married men who are - or were - world leaders, a prime minister, a future POTUS, a former POTUS, a Prince (as alleged by Virginia Guiffre) and top scientists at parties in extremely remote locations in what has been described as underground chambers, with weird themes such as Zorro and Ancient Egypt is what would popularly be described as 'satanic'.

The aim? I would suggest a foreign country interfering in Western values by introducing decadence and depraved behaviour as the norm, thus aiming to bring down civilisation as we know it and introducing an 'anything goes' ethos, based on sex slavery, sex with underage teenagers, sex trafficking, prostitution, eugenics and money laundering. All the things the law enforcement agencies are supposed to be clamping down on.

Epstein may have been taken out by a counter-espionage agent (the CIA...?) terrified that what comes out at his trial could bring down the British Royal Family, the US POTUS, members of Congress and top attorneys, not to mention all kinds of Nobel prize-winning scientists.
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Ta-da! What did I tell you? Now on the cards Meghan Markle and Prince Harry are to give up their royal titles and move to Canada (so they claim but I reckon it'll be sunny California, USA) for good.

Chickens come home to roost. She no longer has a hold over Prince Andrew as his secret is out.

Harry and Meghan’s official staff will remain at Buckingham Palace.

But the couple are expected to work closely with the controversial US PR company Sunshine Sachs to launch the Sussex Royal Foundation in the coming months.

The friend added: “They took a genuine break over Christmas. But they are back working and planning the launch of the Sussex Royal Foundation and Sunshine Sachs are involved in that.”

The decisions Harry and Meghan make are likely to be highly controversial and unconventional, with some courtiers worrying it could essentially see the couple “exile themselves from the royal family”.
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She is a close friend of Ron Burkle (listed in Epstein's 'Black Book') and managed by Marcus Anderson of SoHo house. Epstein helped start the Clinton Foundation/Global Initiative. DING! DING! DING! Some of you will recall that Meghan launched her 'humanitarian' career being invited to talk at one of these conferences. Prince Harry seems to have stopped with his ridiculous 'horned Ba'al' signs with his fingers.
 
Vixen said:
Ta-da! What did I tell you? Now on the cards Meghan Markle and Prince Harry are to give up their royal titles and move to Canada (so they claim but I reckon it'll be sunny California, USA) for good.

Chickens come home to roost. She no longer has a hold over Prince Andrew as his secret is out.



She is a close friend of Ron Burkle (listed in Epstein's 'Black Book') and managed by Marcus Anderson of SoHo house. Epstein helped start the Clinton Foundation/Global Initiative. DING! DING! DING! Some of you will recall that Meghan launched her 'humanitarian' career being invited to talk at one of these conferences. Prince Harry seems to have stopped with his ridiculous 'horned Ba'al' signs with his fingers.
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What do you mean by your "What did I tell you?" triumphalism?

In the midst of all your wild conspiracy-theorising, I don't remember you ever saying that the Sussexes would move to North America - far less that they would move there because of something to do with the Epstein affair.

I know people who have decent connections into both Charles' and William's/Harry's press offices, and it's long been known that Meghan has been pressing Harry hard for a move to North America. As you allude to, Meghan's preference would definitely be for the USA, but the compromise is Canada (over which the monarchy still has dominion with the British monarch as its Head of State, after all). But there's never been any link between this desired move and the Epstein case. Rather, it's driven by Meghan feeling like a fish out of water in the UK (and her quickly growing a strong dislike for the constant media surveillance of their lives), and Harry feeling that he's failed to create a role for himself in the UK.

Now, the matter of Meghan's former *ahem* "employment" is certainly up for interrogation - and I understand that a) she did indeed work as a high-end escort, and b) she did indeed meet Harry first within that capacity, at a large party (though of course Harry's press office have manufactured a palatable alternative "truth" to that meeting....). But there's never been any linkage whatsoever between this and the Epstein affair - and there's no reason whatsoever why there should be one.
 
Oh and the other factor driving the Sussexes' desire to move to North America is this: I understand that a few months after Philip dies (he's apparently got a terminal diagnosis and is expected to die either this year or next), The Queen will abdicate the throne to Charles. Charles in turn will make an announcement that he intends to rule for a fixed maximum period of either 5 or 10 years, and then abdicate the throne to William.

Those two things will focus public attention not only onto Charles but also onto William, who is expected to greatly increase his public profile and his public work. This will inevitably leave Harry looking - in a much greater way than at present - sidelined and somewhat irrelevant. Harry's people also think he's on something of a hiding to nothing in the UK: he rarely gets much credit for anything "good" that he does, while attracting quick criticism for everything he gets wrong.

One interesting factor - assuming that the Sussexes do end up moving to Canada - is what (if anything) Harry's official role might be. He cannot and will not hold any monarchy-proxy positions (i.e. Governor General or any of the leutenant governors of the provinces), since these have for decades now been chosen by the Canadian government and not the monarch, and only Canadians are now appointed to these posts. His only likely option, therefore, will be to head up some sort of significant charitable foundation.
 
The crazy world of this thread and the conspiracy theory string model gets bigger every day with no facts in evidence.
 
carlitos said:
I really do not want to Google this. Are you being serious here? She was an actress on “suits,” right?
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She was. But it seems that she was also leveraging this (minor) celebrity in the secretive - but very much in-existence - world of Hollywood "companion services". There is a market comprising wealthy men (usually either tech executives, Russian oligarchs, or Middle Eastern/Far Eastern men of money) who will spend large amounts of money for a night or a weekend with a young woman who has achieved some level of fame/success in modelling or film/TV. This practice has become colloquially known as "yachting" - on account of what some believe to be the genesis of the industry: the hiring of these sorts of young women to mingle at parties held on yachts by their wealthy owners, where it was often customary for additional "services" to be sought and delivered.
 
Getting paid to turn up and mingle with rich people at parties is somewhere on a very, very wide spectrum from celebrity guest appearance to high class call girl. Everyone across that spectrum gets paid, but they don't all provide quite the same services.

Obviously if you're sufficiently well known from TV, you would be risking your career if you were spotted doing anything which might get you blackmailed or the story sold.
 
LondonJohn said:
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Now, the matter of Meghan's former *ahem* "employment" is certainly up for interrogation - and I understand that a) she did indeed work as a high-end escort, and b) she did indeed meet Harry first within that capacity, at a large party (though of course Harry's press office have manufactured a palatable alternative "truth" to that meeting....). But there's never been any linkage whatsoever between this and the Epstein affair - and there's no reason whatsoever why there should be one.
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Going back at least to the 1940's every beautiful actress that came down the pike has been accused of either sleeping her way into stardom or sleeping her way into hollywood or just plain hooking.

It's true in some cases, but it's far from clear that MM worked as an escort.

The days are long gone where someone famous can have much of a secret life - their is no Fred Otash to keep someone's vids off the 'net, and few folks involved in "the life" today would hesitate to out a famous actor or actress that worked their side of the street.
 
I wish the conspiracy theory about Epstein's alleged "murder" were its own thread rather than getting folded into this "Satanic Ring." A couple of months ago, 45% of Americans believed he was assassinated, and that's probably even higher today.
 
BStrong said:
Going back at least to the 1940's every beautiful actress that came down the pike has been accused of either sleeping her way into stardom or sleeping her way into hollywood or just plain hooking.

It's true in some cases, but it's far from clear that MM worked as an escort.

The days are long gone where someone famous can have much of a secret life - their is no Fred Otash to keep someone's vids off the 'net, and few folks involved in "the life" today would hesitate to out a famous actor or actress that worked their side of the street.
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Oh no, it very much DOES exist. I have second-hand knowledge to that effect. A reasonable minority of B/C-list film & TV actresses, along with others such as Victoria's Secret models, do effectively supplement their "normal" income by selling themselves as escorts to high-net-worth men.

The reason it's not widely known is simply because it's a closed system in which nobody within that system has anything to gain by divulging what's going on ("first rule of fight club" and all that). The high-net-worth men love the fact that they can buy sexual access to these sorts of women - and it feeds their egos and their sense of power to feel that they are the privileged few to be able to enjoy such an experience. The women involved don't want wider public knowledge of what they're doing..... for obvious reasons. And the media - even if they wanted to expose what was going on - really could not do so, since the gateways to entry to these circles are so exclusive, so highly-priced, and so highly-controlled.

Though I'm confident that if you google "yacht girls", you'll get some reasonably sober (i.e. non-hysterical, non-conspiratorial) information on the issue. It's going on.


ETA: You talk about "the days (being) long gone when....". Yet only about 15-20 years ago, the public were, for years and years, wholly unaware of the thriving, well-established businesses of the likes of Heidi Fleiss and her prostitution rings, and their client bases which included many of Hollywood's most high-profile stars. And those rings only ever came to public attention because the authorities were eventually able to infiltrate and expose the operations from the bottom up. Indeed, that's arguably one of the reasons why the "yachting" industry rose up in its place: there IS no "bottom rung" in the yachting system. Now, there's nobody within the system who has any incentive for exposing what's going on, and there's very little prospect of media or law enforcement agencies being able to infiltrate or expose their activities.
 
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Jack by the hedge said:
Getting paid to turn up and mingle with rich people at parties is somewhere on a very, very wide spectrum from celebrity guest appearance to high class call girl. Everyone across that spectrum gets paid, but they don't all provide quite the same services.

Obviously if you're sufficiently well known from TV, you would be risking your career if you were spotted doing anything which might get you blackmailed or the story sold.
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Like I said in my previous post, the point is that nobody within the closed system would benefit in any way from anything like blackmailing or selling stories. The women (and their brokers) get extremely well paid for what they provide. And the men who pay for these services also obviously have no reason to tell the wider world what's going on. And it's much more than being paid to mingle at parties. It's almost always sexual activity.
 
Cain said:
I wish the conspiracy theory about Epstein's alleged "murder" were its own thread rather than getting folded into this "Satanic Ring." A couple of months ago, 45% of Americans believed he was assassinated, and that's probably even higher today.
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That's because Americans (and, to be fair, most general populi) are easily-led masses who are easily sold stories of conspiracy and "big-government deception" and so on.

Epstein committed suicide. Just like JFK was shot by Oswald acting alone. Just like RFK was shot by Sirhan Sirhan acting alone. Just like 9/11 was planned and executed by a small number of islamist terrorists who were largely fininced by Saudi interests.
 
LondonJohn said:
That's because Americans (and, to be fair, most general populi) are easily-led masses who are easily sold stories of conspiracy and "big-government deception" and so on.

Epstein committed suicide. Just like JFK was shot by Oswald acting alone. Just like RFK was shot by Sirhan Sirhan acting alone. Just like 9/11 was planned and executed by a small number of islamist terrorists who were largely fininced by Saudi interests.
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Proving yet again that for some people, conspiracies are just like potato chips - they can't stop at just one.
 
LondonJohn said:
Like I said in my previous post, the point is that nobody within the closed system would benefit in any way from anything like blackmailing or selling stories. The women (and their brokers) get extremely well paid for what they provide. And the men who pay for these services also obviously have no reason to tell the wider world what's going on. And it's much more than being paid to mingle at parties. It's almost always sexual activity.
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Other than "google yacht girl" or "I have secondhand info" is there any evidence for your claim that our fair princess was a prostitute?
 
carlitos said:
Other than "google yacht girl" or "I have secondhand info" is there any evidence for your claim that our fair princess was a prostitute?
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Sadly, there is evidence that actresses and female vocalists resorted to prostitution - on the way down from their stardom, not on the way up.

Barbra Payton:

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainme...agic-downfall-involving-drug-abuse-alcoholism

Natalie Cole:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalie_Cole#Drug_abuse_and_recovery

I'd advise interested parties to google Fred Otash for a glimpse into the way the world worked before the 'net, social media and surveillance camera society as it is today.

The likely hood of any actress/model/whatever finding fame and keeping a sex worker life secret is -0- in today's world.
 
Vixen said:
Ta-da! What did I tell you? Now on the cards Meghan Markle and Prince Harry are to give up their royal titles and move to Canada (so they claim but I reckon it'll be sunny California, USA) for good.

Chickens come home to roost. She no longer has a hold over Prince Andrew as his secret is out.



She is a close friend of Ron Burkle (listed in Epstein's 'Black Book') and managed by Marcus Anderson of SoHo house. Epstein helped start the Clinton Foundation/Global Initiative. DING! DING! DING! Some of you will recall that Meghan launched her 'humanitarian' career being invited to talk at one of these conferences. Prince Harry seems to have stopped with his ridiculous 'horned Ba'al' signs with his fingers.
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Or perhaps she is fed up with prodnoses making her and Harry's lives a misery. I know I would be.

Personally, I am happy for Harry taking a stand to live his own life unconstrained by the trammels of courtly life. When one considers it, being a royal is a life sentence without parole to never being YOURSELF. Never being ones-self. Never being quite human with all of the flaws pertaining to just being a person.

And I really struggle to believe that anyone in the 21st century takes any of this "satanic" superstitious crap seriously. 'horned Ba'al' signs? Grow up.
 
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