Did Epstein run a World Satanic Ring?

abaddon said:
False, the bible also names El, the father of Baal in the Caananite pantheon.

Do you know what El's other name is? Yahweh.
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'In general' doesn't mean 'all, literally'. There are all sorts of references to the 'wicked one'. However when referring to idol worship it'll just say Ba'al without bothering to differentiate between the dozens of different deities.
 
Vixen said:
'In general' doesn't mean 'all, literally'. There are all sorts of references to the 'wicked one'. However when referring to idol worship it'll just say Ba'al without bothering to differentiate between the dozens of different deities.
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False. Yahweh's wife Asherah is directly referenced in your bible. Another member of the Caananite pantheon.
 
abaddon said:
False. Yahweh's wife Asherah is directly referenced in your bible. Another member of the Caananite pantheon.
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Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

The ancient Jews did originally have a female deity who was decisively banished from all mention and it was considered blasphemous to do so.

Your trotting out names means zippo.
 
So those of you who were sceptical there was a submarine station at Little St James' have a look at this: Dr Stephen Hawking scooting around the seabed in a submarine at...Little St James'..
 

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The photo of Stephen Hawkings comes from an article in the DAILY TELEGRAPH as long ago as 2015.

Hawking was one of 21 internationally-renowned scientists attending a conference, funded by Epstein, on gravity at the Ritz-Carlton hotel on neighbouring island St Thomas.
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Besides Hawking, there were three Nobel laureates on the trips.

Among those pictured with Hawking on the boat cruise is Professor Lawrence Krauss, a theoretical physicist who works at Arizona State University.

Legal documents have claimed that Epstein's properties were decorated with photographs of naked adolescent girls, but Professor Krauss said that he saw nothing of the sort.
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abaddon said:
As we can clearly see in this thread.

I can say it is rubbish because I have studied ouija in depth. There is NOTHING supernatural about it.

Bwahahaha. "psychic fight". Oh brother.

Some people are taken in by such rubbish with harmful results. That is nothing new.

One cannot legislate for the gullibility of some people. If they were dumb enough to believe in "spiritual protection" then more fool them. "Spiritual protection" is as useful as a chocolate crash helmet.

False. Epstein was convicted. He was about to be tried again, but he killed himself before that could happen.
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Do you really believe a bum from Brooklyn with zero shame would just top himself because he was suddenly wracked with remorse?
 
Vixen said:
Rosicrucians are not Christian, even though they invented a character called Christian Rosenkreutz. When they refer to Christian values they are referring to their self-referring character. Gurdjieff was a sufi master (Islam). Peter Ouspensky was his pupil and was interested in mysical aspect such as the Fourth Way. I have read all of Gurdjieff and Ouspensky and can confirm they have nothing to do with Christianity. Swedenborg like the Madame Blavatsky Theosopists was eclectic and into flying, ESP and auras, not to mention communicating with the dear departed. A far cry from Christianity.

Re Judaism, there are some who believe the Kabbalah is dangerous mysticism.

I'm guessing the Anthroposophy sect are Gnostics. Would I be right? Just a version of 'Know Thyself' and frowned upon by mainstream Christians as being navel-gazing and 'eastern' when they should be outward looking.
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The question is not whether they fit your definition of Christianity, or what you think they should or should not do, but whether they are, as you so casually lump them, Satanists. I think most of them are crackpots (though mostly harmless ones), but I also do not think that makes them Satanists. There is a considerable resemblance of Anthroposophy to Gnosticism, though they adamantly reject the notion, and experts on Gnosticism consider it morre a resemblance than substance (now is not the time to get into Gnosticism, I think) but they certainly claim to be Christian, whatever you may think about them, and they most certainly do not worship Satan.

I should point out that I did not include Blavatsky, but her follower Annie Besant, who explicitly claimed (whatever you may think) that Christianity fit with her ideas. Whatever qualifications you apply to count someone as Christian, failure to qualify does not automatically make you a Satanist any more than failure to be a Muslim makes everyone else a Jew.
 
Vixen said:
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

The ancient Jews did originally have a female deity who was decisively banished from all mention and it was considered blasphemous to do so.

Your trotting out names means zippo.
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Oh, the bible is wrong and YOU are correct. Is that your position?
 
Vixen said:
Middle-aged/elderly man wants sex orgies with young teenage girls. So where would he find that then even if he was filthy rich?
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Trebuchet said:
Southeast Asia, or so I've heard. Look up sex tourism.
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Vixen said:
Gary Glitter was a mere novice compared to Epstein. He married a couple of underage women for his own gratification.
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And that has what to do with my response to the post you made?

Child sex tourism is a thing, and not particularly expensive. The rich, like Epstein don't need it, but lots of middle-class men take part. You don't need a private island. Just an airline ticket to Thailand or Brazil. It's not Satanic, just evil.
 
Vixen said:
You just don't get it. Do you really believe these people did the posh person equivalent of hiring a motel room or massage parlour for bog standard common or garden variety prostitution?

Think about it it. What was the need for remote islands, ranches in semi-arrid desert and 42 roomed-mansions?
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You write so much yet know nothing about the real world of sex trafficking.

Prince bin Salman was in Los Angeles in 2018. He rented out the entire hotel. I don't think his entourage played X-Box all night while they were there. There are people who cater to folks like Saudi Princes in LA and other prime destination cities including London where any sexual whim can be accommodated for those willing to pay.

This is not a secret.

However, proving this activity in a court of law can be daunting to American law enforcement operating in big cities where politics can be a distraction or obstruction depending on the target of a Vice sting. The funding of Al Qaeda by some Saudis comes to mind as an example of how hard it is to reach out and touch some people.

And then there is the issue of drugs and drug addiction and the fact is that there are very beautiful women would would do all kinds on naughty thing with a middle-aged ape like me if I had a deep supply of cocaine or opioids. This is also not a secret either and next time you're in Beverly Hills you can use this knowledge to play a fun version of Bingo while sitting in a coffee shop.
 
bruto said:
The question is not whether they fit your definition of Christianity, or what you think they should or should not do, but whether they are, as you so casually lump them, Satanists. I think most of them are crackpots (though mostly harmless ones), but I also do not think that makes them Satanists. There is a considerable resemblance of Anthroposophy to Gnosticism, though they adamantly reject the notion, and experts on Gnosticism consider it morre a resemblance than substance (now is not the time to get into Gnosticism, I think) but they certainly claim to be Christian, whatever you may think about them, and they most certainly do not worship Satan.

I should point out that I did not include Blavatsky, but her follower Annie Besant, who explicitly claimed (whatever you may think) that Christianity fit with her ideas. Whatever qualifications you apply to count someone as Christian, failure to qualify does not automatically make you a Satanist any more than failure to be a Muslim makes everyone else a Jew.
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They all say that but it's just a play on words. I looked up antroposophy and the guy Steiner who formulated it claims to encompass all religions.
 
Trebuchet said:
No. But he would because he was going to spend the rest of his life in prison with no access to little girls.
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I'm not so sure, as he hadn't even faced trial yet. With his records of decades of having a blind eye turned to his activities and all of the people he could take down with him, there must have been a chance he'd escape true justice yet again.
 
Trebuchet said:
And that has what to do with my response to the post you made?

Child sex tourism is a thing, and not particularly expensive. The rich, like Epstein don't need it, but lots of middle-class men take part. You don't need a private island. Just an airline ticket to Thailand or Brazil. It's not Satanic, just evil.
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That used to be the case but now any Western gent hoping to engage in underage sex in Thailand is likely to be investigated.

Going to Bangkok and having sex with teenage prostitutes and ladyboys is NOT the equivalent of what Epstein's pals were doing.
 
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