Did Epstein run a World Satanic Ring?

[Mycroft]

Why is it so hard to accept that Epstein was a rich arrogant prick with other rich arrogant prick friends and they had sex with underage girls because they thought they could get away with it? It's not like this scenario is heretofore unknown in the history of law enforcement. A defendant killing himself after being charged with these crimes also isn't much of a shocker.

Has it even been established that Epstein arranged for anyone other than himself to have sex with underaged women?

 

[Mycroft]

It is the common concurrence that he was. As far as the public and the media are concerned the occult is the occult. Crowley wanting to kill babies is satanism as far as they are concerned. Sorry if that offends your sensibilities.

Anton Levay was the satanist. Crawley was an occultist who let people call him a satanist, despite never having worshiped Satan.

 

[Robin]

Did Aleister Crowley want to kill babies? That is a new one on me.

 

[Axxman300]

Has it even been established that Epstein arranged for anyone other than himself to have sex with underaged women?

That was what he was arrested for:

Epstein is facing up to 45 years in prison if convicted on the new charges of sex trafficking and conspiracy. Mimi Rocah, an NBC News legal analyst who served as a former assistant U.S. attorney in New York, said any new allegations against Epstein could lead to additional federal counts. Child sex victims must be under the age of 28 to pursue state charges in New York.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-jeffrey-epstein-accuser-he-raped-me-when-i-was-n1028011

Hunt down the Alan Dershowitz angle. Epstein featured these young women at his parties.

 

[Mycroft]

That was what he was arrested for:



https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-jeffrey-epstein-accuser-he-raped-me-when-i-was-n1028011

Hunt down the Alan Dershowitz angle. Epstein featured these young women at his parties.

Still not seeing where anyone other than Epstein had sex with these women.

 

[Vixen]

It really is.

Why would you worship a being that works for the God you're turning away from?




Crowley was a con man.



No.



Rosicrucians aren't Satanist, they're Rosicrucians.



Not one thing you wrote here is true.

The door is on the east side with windows on the east and west sides. No altar. And the painted on door has no bars.

Th Rosicrucians like Crowley's OTO order and other neo-Egyptian cults (which includes most mason orders) are occultists and anti-Christian (in that they never mention Christ). In the common vernacular occult is no different from satanism.

You say tom-ay-to, I say tom-ah-to.

No-one said his temple had an altar in the East - or on the ground floor - which would have been deep in the basement anyway. Churches do.

Did you not see the altar stone on the sundial?

 

[Vixen]

Because there is zero evidence of this.

Epstein and Maxwell ran a sex and blackmail ring, we know this because there is a mountain of evidence, which is why Epstein killed himself.




Citation needed for this one.



1. The "temple" is smaller than your average 7-11 or gas station.

2. We don't know where the stairs in Chandler's photo are located, or even if they are on the island.



And yet everyone working at the airport in the Virgin Islands saw Epstein's planes land and young-looking women deplane and get into his private helicopter to be transported to the island:



Source: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/07/horrors-of-jeffrey-epstein-private-island

(See what I did there? I linked to an article written by grownups)




Why do you care? Tracking them down would mean living in the real world and not Satanic Panic Land.



Again, you need to cite a credible source for this claim.



Again, you need to cite a source. The only thing I have found where this claim is mad is on a Q/whack-job website.



Then why did the Egyptians build really tall structures in which their priests worshiped their gods? Why aren't the pyramids just a deep hole in the ground?



No, he was a dirty young man who became a dirty old man who recruited young girls to give him "massages" at his various properties.




Nobody's saying it is. We still don't have all the facts and the FBI is still working the case.



And there it is. The Jews did it.



No, it was Epstein and Maxwell, and Maxwell seems to be the brains of the operation. You have yet to articulate how worshiping Satan gave Epstein an edge that his band account didn't already provide.

Here you are, Ghislaine Maxwell giving it large about her submarine work and being outside the law.

The youtube video is titled: WDS2 - Ghislaine Maxwell and The TerraMar Project


Here's the submarine landing station, as attached.


ETA By coincidence (haha) the Terramar Project which involved Richard Branson ceased upon Epstein's arrest.

The TerraMar Twitter web page made the announcement on Friday, July 12, 2019, and was swiftly adopted by the closure of their web site that additionally carries an announcement, be aware the positioning was operational only a matter of hours earlier than the information broke.

https://usahitman.com/underground-epsteinisland/

 

[Vixen]

Anton Levay was the satanist. Crawley was an occultist who let people call him a satanist, despite never having worshiped Satan.

As I explained upthread 'Satan' in the Bible was usually referred to as Ba'al, a clear reference to ancient Egyptian gods. As an example I gave, when Moses went up the mount, no sooner had he turned his back than his people built themselves a golden calf in remembrance of the idol worship in Egypt from which they had fled. This caused him to smash the tablets in a rage.

If the Bible identifies 'satan' in numerous different ways, mostly as representing idol worship (see Ashak, Meshach and Abednego in King Nebuchadnezzar's fiery furnace, Daniel 3) I am not sure why you have a problem with it.

Crowley and his admirers can call himself what he/they like but he was undoubtedly an occultist.

 

[Vixen]

Did Aleister Crowley want to kill babies? That is a new one on me.

You obviously haven't read him.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Th Rosicrucians like Crowley's OTO order and other neo-Egyptian cults (which includes most mason orders) are occultists and anti-Christian (in that they never mention Christ).

No.
Once again, you are shooting your mouth off without having done one iota of research.

Freemasonry is not a religion, nor is it a substitute for religion. It requires of its members a belief in God as part of the obligation of every responsible adult, but advocates no sectarian faith or practice. Masonic ceremonies include prayers, both traditional and extempore, to reaffirm each individual's dependence on God and to seek divine guidance. Freemasonry is open to men of any faith, but religion may not be discussed at Masonic meetings.
Masons believe that there is one God and that people employ many different ways to seek, and to express what they know of God. Masonry primarily uses the appellation, "Grand Architect of the Universe," and other non-sectarian titles, to address the Deity. In this way, persons of different faiths may join together in prayer, concentrating on God, rather than differences among themselves. Masonry believes in religious freedom and that the relationship between the individual and God is personal, private, and sacred.
Freemasonry Supports Religion. Freemasonry is far from indifferent toward religion. Without interfering in religious practice, it expects each member to follow his own faith and to place his Duty to God above all other duties. Its moral teachings are acceptable to all religions.

Source.

The Rosicrucian Philosophy is entirely Christian, striving to make religion a living factor in the land -- and to lead to Christ those who cannot find Him by faith alone.

Source.

Is Ordo Templi Orientis Satanic or anti-Christian?
No. O.T.O. makes no claims or representations to be either Satanic or anti-Christian. We find that these characterizations serve no real purpose in describing what we are about, or our vision for humanity. Rather than being anti-Christian, we are in fact pro-Thelema: we support the Thelemic ideals of freedom of religious and personal self-expression; emancipation from superstition and social oppression; and the development of a world view which supports and encourages the age-old vision of the Universal Brotherhood of mankind.

Source.

In the common vernacular occult is no different from satanism.

No. This is just you refusing to admit you were, and are, wrong.

You say tom-ay-to, I say tom-ah-to.

No. You talk bollocks, and everyone else calls you on it.

 

[Vixen]

Still not seeing where anyone other than Epstein had sex with these women.

Scepticism is healthy. That is most people's initial reaction. "What? 45 years for sex? OK, so she was seventeen so you're kidding me?" And then the truth of the matter begins to slowly dawn.

Dershowitz swiftly took legal action. So ask yourself, why are the media not freely naming and shaming people? Hmmm? You have heard of libel and defamation laws?

 

[Robin]

You obviously haven't read him.

I have read his novel "Moonchild" and also "Konx om Pax" and a couple of his short stories.

I have also read Dennis Wheatley's account that he seemed mostly harmless.

Can you be more specific?

 

[Vixen]

No.
Once again, you are shooting your mouth off without having done one iota of research.



Source.



Source.



Source.




No. This is just you refusing to admit you were, and are, wrong.



No. You talk bollocks, and everyone else calls you on it.

If anyone is talking bollocks, it is you. When the Rosicrucians claim they are Christian in the excerpt you quote they are referring to "Christian Rosenkreuz", a fictional character representing the typical initiate in search of enlightenment (rather like John Bunyan's Christian in Pilgrim's Progress).

That bumpf you quoted from the freemasons is exactly that. It mentions 'God' (the big 'G') but it is certainly not Jesus Christ in their philosophy the deeper you go. They worship baphomet.

You'll note Rosicrucians always refer to 'the Divine' or some such euphemism. None of these people are referring to Christ.

Now this isn't a thread about 'who is the true God', I am simply pointing out that freemasons and occultists are not Christians.

 

[Vixen]

I have read his novel "Moonchild" and also "Konx om Pax" and a couple of his short stories.

I have also read Dennis Wheatley's account that he seemed mostly harmless.

Can you be more specific?

The Devil Rides Out good book which we all read when we were fourteen.

You can probably read all of Crowley's stuff for free from your local library. I can't remember which tome it was.

 

[Robin]

I have read his novel "Moonchild" and also "Konx om Pax" and a couple of his short stories.

I have also read Dennis Wheatley's account that he seemed mostly harmless.

Can you be more specific?

Also I seem to recall that "sacrificing infants" was Crowley's way of describing wanking. Are you sure that is not what you are referring to?

If we are to take the claim literally, that he has killed thousands of children and boasted about it and yet the police had not taken any notice, that would seem strange.

Crowley had a bizarre sense of humour (as reading "Konx om Pax" would evidence).

 

[Cosmic Yak]

If anyone is talking bollocks, it is you. When the Rosicrucians claim they are Christian in the excerpt you quote they are referring to "Christian Rosenkreuz", a fictional character representing the typical initiate in search of enlightenment (rather like John Bunyan's Christian in Pilgrim's Progress).

Citation needed, and in any case, you claimed they were anti-Christian, which they clearly are not.

That bumpf you quoted from the freemasons is exactly that. It mentions 'God' (the big 'G') but it is certainly not Jesus Christ in their philosophy the deeper you go. They worship baphomet.

Citation needed for the claim of worship of Baphomet, and, in any case, you claimed they were anti-Christian, which they clearly are not.

You'll note Rosicrucians always refer to 'the Divine' or some such euphemism. None of these people are referring to Christ.

Apart from the actual quote from actual Rosicrucians, you mean.

Now this isn't a thread about 'who is the true God', I am simply pointing out that freemasons and occultists are not Christians.

No, you were not. That is an obvious and blatant falsehood.

Th Rosicrucians like Crowley's OTO order and other neo-Egyptian cults (which includes most mason orders) are occultists and anti-Christian (in that they never mention Christ). In the common vernacular occult is no different from satanism.

It also contradicts what both Rosicrucians and Freemasons believe, as stated by them on their own websites.
If you want to contact them to tell them that you know better than they what they believe, go right ahead. Let me know how that goes for you.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

The Devil Rides Out good book which we all read when we were fourteen.

You can probably read all of Crowley's stuff for free from your local library. I can't remember which tome it was.

I too have read some Crowley.
No mention at all of baby sacrifices.
Please stop making stuff up.

 

[Vixen]

Also I seem to recall that "sacrificing infants" was Crowley's way of describing wanking. Are you sure that is not what you are referring to?

If we are to take the claim literally, that he has killed thousands of children and boasted about it and yet the police had not taken any notice, that would seem strange.

Crowley had a bizarre sense of humour (as reading "Konx om Pax" would evidence).

I don't know if he actually killed anybody but he certainly shocked middle England.

 

[Vixen]

Citation needed, and in any case, you claimed they were anti-Christian, which they clearly are not.


Citation needed for the claim of worship of Baphomet, and, in any case, you claimed they were anti-Christian, which they clearly are not.



Apart from the actual quote from actual Rosicrucians, you mean.



No, you were not. That is an obvious and blatant falsehood.



It also contradicts what both Rosicrucians and Freemasons believe, as stated by them on their own websites.
If you want to contact them to tell them that you know better than they what they believe, go right ahead. Let me know how that goes for you.

I promise you the Rosicrucians in that extract you quote are misleading you. Here is your extract:

Rosicrucian Interpretation of Christianity
The Rosicrucian Order is an ancient Mystic Fraternity formed in the year 1313 by a high spiritual teacher having the symbolical name "Christian Rosenkreuz": Christian Rose Cross. It was his mission to prepare a new phase of the Christian religion to be used during the coming age now at hand, for as the world and man evolve so also must religion change. The system of worship suited to the spiritual needs of our forebears is unsuited to our altered intellectual condition. Therefore, the great spiritual entities in charge of evolution, change the religions of the world in harmony with the passage of the marching orbs in the heavens.

The Rosicrucian Philosophy is entirely Christian, striving to make religion a living factor in the land -- and to lead to Christ those who cannot find Him by faith alone.

The Sixth Sense
The particular function of this Philosophy is to enable people to accept the Christian doctrines through the medium of esoteric knowledge, when they are unable to do so through the medium of faith. It aims to supplement the work of the churches, not to supplant them.

The Rosicrucian Philosophy teaches that man possesses a latent sixth sense which has been developed in some and which eventually will be developed by all. This sense enables its possessor to perceive and investigate the super-physical realms, where the so-called dead live.

It also teaches that the Earth is a great school to which we return life after life through rebirth, learning new lessons during each sojourn here, and thus ever evolving toward greater perfection of character and the powers which it confers. The grades attained by different individuals in this school account for the differences in fortunes which we see on every side. Therefore we do not despair of God's love when we see the inequalities of life, for we know that in time all will be perfect as our Father in Heaven is perfect.

Please note the play on words.

 

[Porpoise of Life]

Does this type of 'argumentation' count as a gish gallop?

The Gish gallop is a technique used during debating that focuses on overwhelming an opponent with as many arguments as possible, without regard for accuracy or strength of the arguments.