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Did Epstein run a World Satanic Ring?

Vixen said:
All I am saying is that where you have an establishment, you will find its antithesis.
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So what? Some people are contrarian, or like to wind up people who believe in superstitious nonsense. It is not anything new.

Vixen said:
For example, you have the police (law enforcers) and the lawmakers (politicians). What do we find? Organised crime outfits.
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Correlation is not causation.

Vixen said:
Drugs against the law? Enter the drug cultists. Homosexuals against the law? It just goes underground.
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Legalise them. End of problem.

Vixen said:
Catholic Church, with its Virgin Mary's, Saints, Angels, Jesus, baptism, Holy Communion.
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What about it? It just another absurd belief like all the others.

Vixen said:
Enter a band of people who will blaspheme this as its opposite, satanism.
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There is no real thing as is called blasphemy in common parlance. Just various cults that are so fragile that any disagreement is a threat to them. They can all go to whatever imaginary hell it is that they have pulled from their fundament.

Vixen said:
Claiming satanism doesn't exist is clearly nonsense.
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Claiming that Satanism does not exist as described from your fevered imagination is perfectly valid.
 
My theory is that OPs unsupported satanic theory is trotted out because they're running interference for the real power behind Epstein: Perkele, Finnish god of thunder.
 
Porpoise of Life said:
My theory is that OPs unsupported satanic theory is trotted out because they're running interference for the real power behind Epstein: Perkele, Finnish god of thunder.
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Perkele might have been a thunder god but that does NOT count as satanism.
Satan is found in the Abrahamic religions.

Satan,[a] also known as the Devil, is an entity in the Abrahamic religions that seduces humans into sin or falsehood. In Christianity and Islam, he is usually seen as either a fallen angel or a jinn, who used to possess great piety and beauty, but rebelled against God, who nevertheless allows him temporary power over the fallen world and a host of demons. In Judaism, Satan is typically regarded as a metaphor for the yetzer hara, or "evil inclination", or as an agent subservient to God.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan

The name Satan hardly ever occurs in the bible except in Job and Revelation. Jesus mentions him jut once when he says he saw Satan falling from the sky.

His other name Lucifer, meaning the shining one, indicates he was supposedly extraordinarily beautiful and full of angelic light.

Usually the 'devil' is referred to in the Bible as one of the Egyptian gods by the generic name Ba'al, Beelzebub or a goddess, Astorath. Ba'al as decried by Moses on the mount was depicted as a bull. We see the worship of Egyptian deities in freemasonery, thus it is correct to equate it with 'satanism' as it uses all kinds of Ancient Egyptian symbolism and has animal and bird gods, such as the jackal or the Ibis.

Epstein's lavish use of this symbolism may well be based on pretentiousness but it is unmistakably there, whether his entourage took it seriously or not.
 
Of course all sorts of things are possible, but I think it's a mistake to "forget the salacious sex stories." Salacious sex, and the compromises, scandals, lies, empty justifications, tradeoffs and scandals that accompany it, turn out to be behind a lot. Face it. Men will do a whole lot of stupid things for sex, and judging from what happens in the news every day, it seems the more power and wealth you have and the more to lose, the stupider the decisions. People give up careers, freedom, reputations, presidencies, for a forbidden tryst, a juicy deviation, even for a grope in a washroom or a blow job in the halls of power. No devils need apply.
 
Vixen said:
Perkele might have been a thunder god but that does NOT count as satanism.
Satan is found in the Abrahamic religions.
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Okay, so only Abrahamic mythological creatures count as Satan.
Vixen said:
We see the worship of Egyptian deities in freemasonery, thus it is correct to equate it with 'satanism'
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Except when they don't...

And somehow 'its correct to call it satanism because a non-satanic cult uses this non-satanic deity as a symbol' doesn't really persuade me.
 
You know what's really Satanic? Owls.
Weird big eyes, up all night, ears that aren't ears, and to top it all off:
THEY ARE IN HARRY POTTER! You can't get much more Satanic than Harry Potter.
 
Jesus in the Gospels promises spiritual rewards to those who give up material wealth and power to follow Him.

Satanists believe their lord rewards their devotion to him with material wealth and power.

So do modern "prosperity gospel" Christians.

Jesus in the Gospels said that the meek, the pure in heart, and the peacemakers are among the blessed.

Satanists believe they are entitled to dominate and rule others by virtue of their superior strength of will.

So do present-day Christian dominionists.

If you're looking for the real satanists in oddball esoteric temples, you're looking in the wrong place.
 
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Vixen said:
Perkele might have been a thunder god but that does NOT count as satanism.
Satan is found in the Abrahamic religions.
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So what your saying is that YOU get to define satanism and nobody else. I ask only because a lot of people were burned at the stake by good Christians for holding onto beliefs in those old god because it was "Satanic" to do so.

The Israelites didn't have a devil until after the Babylonian Captivity where they adopted that culture's devil as their own.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan

His other name Lucifer, meaning the shining one, indicates he was supposedly extraordinarily beautiful and full of angelic light.
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And that's from Milton, not any holy books.

Usually the 'devil' is referred to in the Bible as one of the Egyptian gods by the generic name Ba'al, Beelzebub
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Baal and Beelzebub are the same thing, the later is an adaptation of the former and NEITHER IS EGYPTIAN. Baal is Canaanite.

or a goddess, Astorath.
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Not sure you have this name right, but not surprised.

We see the worship of Egyptian deities in freemasonery, thus it is correct to equate it with 'satanism' as it uses all kinds of Ancient Egyptian symbolism and has animal and bird gods, such as the jackal or the Ibis.
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Who is "we"? Because this is anti-Masonic propaganda that goes all the way back.

Here's what you left out and it's important: Satan, as written in the Bible (both books), work for God. His job is to temp humans into doing evil things and then tell God he's totally blown it and maybe it's time to wipe out humanity and try something else. We get to see this in detail while Jesus is out in the desert fasting. Satan's out there pestering him trying to get him to give up and head back into town for a cake and wine and lamb and maybe pizza. After a couple of days in the wilderness pizza must have sounded pretty good but Jesus held out and proved his worth and so on and so forth.

Here's the thing about Satanism, it's inherently dumb. Evil is a human creation, not the devil's.

Hence Epstein and his friends were and are worse than the devil.

Epstein's lavish use of this symbolism may well be based on pretentiousness but it is unmistakably there, whether his entourage took it seriously or not.
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I think his use of symbolism was a way of mocking people like you. I think he decorated the place to impress the easily impressed into thinking he was more important than he truly was.
 
Vixen said:
Epstein wasn't even popular or a celebrity. Nobody had heard of him until he snuffed it.
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Nobody?

You're research skills need work, and that's apart from your poor Satan histories.

Before he was charged in Florida few people knew him because that's the way he wanted it. But the right people knew him because he networked his way into those circles.
 
Vixen said:
You are missing what is in plain sight. The ONLY source of Epstein's great wealth was via Wexner's Victoria's Secrets. The guy gave Epstein Power of Attorney, together with his New York mansion and other estates. He claims he was swindled BUT why hand over Power of Attorney (=carte blanche in your affairs? This guy was a nobody. (Or sometime 'pianist' [careful], 'scientist', 'financier'.)
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Not that simple. He worked at Bear Stearns from 1976 to 1981 and made a favorable impression on the CEO and others at the top of that company. He started his own money management company and yes, Les Wexner was his biggest client, but not his only client. Epstein company ONLY handed billionaires, and thus the commissions were automatically tremendous.

Epstein's company is now called Financial Trust Co. and is based in the Virgin Islands, which should be a giant red flag with "Nos Pecunia Lavabit" written in gold letters on both sides.

He invested heavily in Hedge Funds and real estate.

Epsteins' fortune is not that mysterious when you factor in criminal enterprise at the levels he is known to operate from.

Fact is, it has long been claimed Czech-born Robert Maxwell was a signed up Mossad (read CIA) agent. It is likely Epstein is something similar - see the Maxwell connection. He was funded by Mossadd/CIA in a mass blackmailing foreign-interference operation
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Claims are not proof.

Mossad is not the CIA.

Epstein had connections with powerful people from around the globe and this with certainly make him interesting to the CIA, Mossad, MI6, and everyone in between including the FSB. This would make Epstein and ASSET not an AGENT. First off, you have to join the CIA and Epstein didn't finish college and you need to be a college graduate to work at the CIA. Second, the CIA doesn't have agents, the CIA has officers. So anyone claiming Epstein was a CIA agent doesn't know enough about the CIA to get the nomenclature correct.

With hidden cameras in every room it is likely there are a lot of nervous statesmen, royalty, ex-prime ministers, POTUS and ex-POTUS, scientists, attorneys out there wondering whether they are on tape.
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They don't have to wonder, they'd know because they'd get a copy of their video glory along with a request for favors. That is how blackmail works.

Forget the salacious sex stories, the real story is who is behind this international ring, undermining public morals and blackmailing the rich and famous.
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And this is your problem. You are willing to overlook rape in your quest to expose your phantom cabal. If there is a larger group out there you are doing their work for them.
 
Vixen said:
Having mass orgies with young females in temples covered in occult symbols can't really be described as anything else.
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This would only apply to Epstein, not the rest of the names I have repeatedly asked you about- you know, those people you have accused but have still not provided any evidence for.
Occult does not mean Satanist. Do some research.
So, once again: what evidence do you have showing that the British Royal family, the Democrats or Epstein himself were or are Satanists?
How hard can this be?
 
To be fair, there are satanic people. And if anyone is going to be satanic, people who have sex with 12 year olds is a very likely vector.

The odds of us finding out Epstein was satanic are quite a bit higher than the odds of finding out any particular individual person is.
 
Vixen said:
Having mass orgies with young females in temples covered in occult symbols can't really be described as anything else.
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I haven't seen "temples covered in occult symbols". I have seen one building painted to look sort-of ancient Egyptian. Did you mean that or something else?

Also, what's the evidence for "mass orgies"? Is that what the young women claim happened? It seems to me that rich, famous, middle-aged men wanting to have sex with teenage women discreetly on a holiday island is a different thing to their wanting an orgy alongside other rich, famous, middle-aged men.

So I'm curious to know; how much of this is alleged by victims and how much is extrapolation?
 
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