Did Bush watch plane hit the first tower ?

JonnyFive said:
On the other hand, all of the CTists that come here are rambling, incomprehensible, hit and run posters that come in, say some crap, and dash off without answering questions. They espouse all kinds of insane theories not born out of evidence, such as beam weapons and voice-morphing technology. They can't provide evidence for these claims because they is no evidence.
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Bingo. Basically twoofers like to pretend that ignorance is a strength. If THEY don't understand something that they're not qualfied to understand then it MUST be a conspiracy.

It works the same way when twoofers try to spread their message. They only have luck if their audience doesn't know a damn thing about the subject matter.
 
Non Believer said:
your response to the model question is pathetic. You act like the WTC would be the only form of matter that would gain force from gravity as they collapse. Is there some problem with other types of material that collapse onto one another as they collapse to the ground. Your point is absolutely untenable, but that hasn't stopped others so don't let it get you down.
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There seems to be a serious disconnect between what I typed and what you read...
 
Non Believer said:
So it is the responsibility of said governments to provide and explain this informati9on to its citizenry.
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Newsflash: engineering reports are done so that engineers in the world (current and future) will understand how and why things happened the way they did.

You seem to be under the impression that these reports are written to satisfy the Twoof movment, as if it's the job of NIST and the government to sit down with a bunch of paranoid know-nothings and slooooowly explain everything so that YOU understand it. If they fail to do that then they MUST be hiding something from you.

Good Lord, man - get over yourself!
 
i have a concept Cl try explaining what you think the disconnect is.

I just was thinking what it would look like if any of our resident experts had to testify on global collapse

Q- Are you an expert on the collapse of buildings

A- Well sort of

Q- After the initial collapse happened how did you model that events effect on the rest of the building

A- We didn't feel we needed too.

Q Oh, you must mean there were observed precedents of complete collapse after an initial event.

A- No, just knowledge that that would happen that way

Q- No exisiting objective evidence of this opinion that you can point us to?

A- No I am sorry, but please don't worry attorney X I know what I am talking about

Q- Isn't the basis for expert opinion usually based in the science from where that expertise comes?

A- Well sure, but it is too hard to explain.

Q -Well I am sorry expert witness, but it is your duty as an expert witness to provde us understandable information so that our legal system may function.

A- This is an insult to me as an expert.

Next witness
 
Non Believer said:
Show me any type of material with the proportions ot the trade centers (though if your up for it try the north tower), that had a similar degree of displacement, and ends up in a pile one to two percent of its original height.
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You think the tower piles were 14-28 feet high? Care to reconsider?
 
Your right Gravy sounds like it is 6 percent of its original height is correct. Sounds like you are interested in doing the experiment. Please keep me informed on the results, and any other fake science you do.
 
CHF- I must agree just because somebody refuses to talk to me, I shouldn' consider that keeping the information from me.
 
Non Believer said:
Your right Gravy sounds like it is 6 percent of its original height is correct. Sounds like you are interested in doing the experiment. Please keep me informed on the results, and any other fake science you do.
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Which part of WTC being 95 percent air do CTers have a problem with?

WTC were built to maximize space, not take up space; you have to have space to sell to make money. 95 percent air; Means the 5 stories of rubble all over the WTC area use to be the WTC towers.

Why are CTers so challenged when it comes to math?
 
Non Believer said:
Your right Gravy sounds like it is 6 percent of its original height is correct.
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Excluding the material in the basement, maybe. Then you have to take into account all the steel that was well outside the footprints. West Street had tens of millions of pounds of steel piled up.

Sounds like you are interested in doing the experiment. Please keep me informed on the results, and any other fake science you do.
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I don't know what experiment you're talking about. I just popped in to see what was going on in this Bush thread. I guess it doesn't matter what the subject is when you enter the discussion loaded with faulty assumptions.
 
You guys wouldn't know what a democracy was if it fell 110 floors onto your face. You think you can get by to listening to the experts tell you what to do, and you call that individualisim at the same time. What kind of individual just rolls over when someone tells him what his opinion is. What a little mamby pamby world you guys live in where your leaders tell you what to think, and you trot around like you know something. And brains blow backwards right?
 
Non Believer said:
You guys wouldn't know what a democracy was if it fell 110 floors onto your face. You think you can get by to listening to the experts tell you what to do, and you call that individualisim at the same time. What kind of individual just rolls over when someone tells him what his opinion is. What a little mamby pamby world you guys live in where your leaders tell you what to think, and you trot around like you know something. And brains blow backwards right?
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Petulance will get you no where.

And, quite frankly, if an expert gives an opinion on something that you personally have no expertise in, why shouldn't you just 'roll over'?

You have no good basis for not believing the reasons experts have given for the collapse of the wtc towers, except your own stubborn desire to cling on to a CT.

Well, if the CT makes your life easier to live and gives it some meaning, good for you. That you are then living a lie is obviously of no concern to you, in just the same way that facts and truth are of no concern to you so long as you can live in the fantasy world you have created.

Good luck with that
 
Non Believer said:
You guys wouldn't know what a democracy was if it fell 110 floors onto your face. You think you can get by to listening to the experts tell you what to do, and you call that individualisim at the same time. What kind of individual just rolls over when someone tells him what his opinion is. What a little mamby pamby world you guys live in where your leaders tell you what to think, and you trot around like you know something. And brains blow backwards right?
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This has nothing to do with democracy.

Democracy is about you being able to post here freely, which you are doing, which is fine.

But don't expect us to give a cr*p about your whining.
 
I just was thinking what it would look like if any of our resident experts had to testify on global collapse
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i think its more like this

Q- Are you an expert on the collapse of buildings

A- Yes

Q- After the initial collapse happened how did you model that events effect on the rest of the building

A- We are unable to model such a complex event, there are so many variables acting simultaneously that any computer model would be little better anyones best guess as to what might happen

Q- Oh, you must mean there were observed precedents of complete collapse after an initial event.

A- No, there is no precedent, that's why creating a model is impossible, we have nothing base it on. If we were to create a model, it would invariably rely heavily on the WTC collapse as precedent, however basing a model on the event its designed to recreate then attempting to draw conclusions is circular reasoning. Science doesn't work that way.
 
You guys wouldn't know what a democracy was if it fell 110 floors onto your face. You think you can get by to listening to the experts tell you what to do, and you call that individualisim at the same time. What kind of individual just rolls over when someone tells him what his opinion is. What a little mamby pamby world you guys live in where your leaders tell you what to think, and you trot around like you know something.
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I don't speak for anyone else here, but my world is most certainly not mamby pamby. It's namby pamby. There's a world of difference.

And brains blow backwards right?
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Sometimes they do. Which way did yours go?
 
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