The Central Scrutinizer
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I may have to plan a trip to Detroit to see the place before they sell everything. Especially the art museum, which is reputed to be among the finest in the US.
They're always balanced, on paper. Cities can't print money after all.UK cities (well councils to be exact) are legaly required to set budgets that are either balanced or have an active surplus.
Australia has let cities reach that point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Ghost_towns_in_AustraliaIn Australian terms I would hope that the state would never let a city reach such a point, or if not the state then the federal government would take care of things. I cannot see how a state or country can sit by while one of their cities suffers like this.
The U.S. bailed out banks and car manufacturers. Will it do the same with the city of Detroit?
Australia has let cities reach that point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Ghost_towns_in_Australia
Detroit is larger, but it has lost over 1 million people since the 1950s. It won't wither away into a ghost town since it is much larger, but huge chunks of it will.
I don't have a vote.
Not cities. Small mining towns and failed early settlements. Detroit is a long established metropolitan centre with a history.
... and also with a systemic budget shortfall.
When you've figured out a way to turn longevity and history into a profitable revenue stream for a dying city, please do let Detroit know. I'm sure they are desperate to learn the secrets of turning appeals to emotion into cold, hard cash.
And there it is.
Not having a vote hasn't stopped you from having an opinion in this thread so far. What changed now?
Anyway, I asked you a few questions about how a similar situation would be handled in the UK. I presume you have a vote there. Do you have answers?
I am shocked, shocked!
Is it true that some parts of Detroit are becoming naturally reforested due to abandonment? I guess that's one of the silver(or green) linings to this mess.
They are working on it. In the mean while to starve the population of quality essential services is a crude way to treat your nation's citizens and seems a sure way to drive needed skilled people away.
That's an exaggeration, but not a complete fabrication.
One of the cost saving measures that Mayor Bing tried, and failed, to get through was to have certain sections of the city seized under eminent domain. The few remaining residents would be forced to leave, and those areas would then be left alone. He wanted to save the cost of road and sewer maintenance. Those areas would then end up being naturally reforested.
As it is, there might be a lot of vacant lots, some of which have been vacant long enough for trees to grow.
America amazes me. Period (as you say over there). I read The Meltdown Tour by Michael Lewis and he explains it is possible for American towns to go bust. In the UK that's not really possible. If they really got into trouble then central government would step in. In the US, where the law of the jungle applies, the city government is left to rot.
No ****** I never looked at a map before. Thanks True That!You do realize that our 50 "states" are basically the size of countries in Europe.
Here's a map comparison
http://www.sarmonster.net/UK.htm
The difference in land is significant because there is also nowhere near the level of population density in the US compared to Europe
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...MHTpUc6kA_T64AOhkoG4CQ&ved=0CEIQ9QEwBA&dur=96
Major cities YES but as you stretch it out it creates problems. When the job industry dried up in Detroit, people moved away to get a job. When people move a way, the city loses taxes.
Pretty simple really.
The thing is, the skilled workers already don't live in Detroit. Some may work in Detroit, but the cities main problem is that it has been turning into a doughnut, with everyone moving to the suburbs or exurbs and commuting in.
Hell, I work in a Detroit suburb, and some of my coworkers commute from the Flint and Ann Arbor areas. No one commutes from Detroit. I know some people who work in downtown Detroit, and everyone that I have asked says that they don't know of any coworkers they have that actually live in Detroit proper.
You do realize that our 50 "states" are basically the size of countries in Europe.
Here's a map comparison
http://www.sarmonster.net/UK.htm
The difference in land is significant because there is also nowhere near the level of population density in the US compared to Europe
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...MHTpUc6kA_T64AOhkoG4CQ&ved=0CEIQ9QEwBA&dur=96
Major cities YES but as you stretch it out it creates problems. When the job industry dried up in Detroit, people moved away to get a job. When people move a way, the city loses taxes.
Pretty simple really.
Not cities. Small mining towns and failed early settlements. Detroit is a long established metropolitan centre with a history.
It's what happens next that troubles me. The city and its people is not thrown a life preserver but allowed to drown.
That's like saying Russia should not have let Chernobyl die out and just keep spending money on it.
It's what happens next that troubles me. The city and its people is not thrown a life preserver but allowed to drown.
There is a trend in the opposite direction. There is actually a housing shortage in Detroit now.
http://citiwire.net/columns/housing-shortages-in-detroit/
So there is a core area that is ready to rebound. But the city and school district finances are holding things back. The school district has been under state management for some time now but there is still insufficient resources for it to recover.
Once a recovery really gets going I would hope that it does not happen to quickly. Detroit was an automotive boom town. We don't need another boom and bust cycle.