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Detax Canada

Oh dear, it looks like this detax stuff is contagious.

There's a group of "freemen" in Ireland too. http://tirnasaor.com/

(tir na saor is Irish (Gaeilge) for land of the free)

They even claim in their forums that Irish birth certificates are written on "bond" paper and the Irish gov uses them as collateral to draw down loans from the IMF. They go so far as to suggest that individuals go get their certs and use them to claim their own money, saying up to €2m might be the value of a birth cert!!!

Also, this John of the clan Murphy crap instead of sayig John Murphy, one even trademarked his name (not via internationally recognised registers though) and now invoices the banks everytime the write to him for using his name without his permission.

I suppose they do provide a little humourous distraction from our baning collapse over here in Ireland.

(but it does get a bit nasty when folk are trying to evade drink driving cases using this sort of crap)
 
EldonG said:
And, you must have had a lot of Communist teachers to boot, since you certainly make use of the Communistic technique of defaming character by repeated uses of words and phrases that are supposed to engender 'ill feelings' toward the subject of your slander and liable.
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hmmm....i never read this in the communist manifesto.
the queen must have had this removed from canadian editions.
 
irishman said:
Oh dear, it looks like this detax stuff is contagious.

There's a group of "freemen" in Ireland too. http://tirnasaor.com/

(tir na saor is Irish (Gaeilge) for land of the free)

They even claim in their forums that Irish birth certificates are written on "bond" paper and the Irish gov uses them as collateral to draw down loans from the IMF. They go so far as to suggest that individuals go get their certs and use them to claim their own money, saying up to €2m might be the value of a birth cert!!!

Also, this John of the clan Murphy crap instead of sayig John Murphy, one even trademarked his name (not via internationally recognised registers though) and now invoices the banks everytime the write to him for using his name without his permission.

I suppose they do provide a little humourous distraction from our baning collapse over here in Ireland.

(but it does get a bit nasty when folk are trying to evade drink driving cases using this sort of crap)
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Freemanism is comprised of a small set of planks that are re-used in every country with only the minor details changed to suit the setting.

The personhood thing is one of them; the birth certificate thing is another, and probably the silliest. The Canadian variation is to re-interpret the phrase "Security of the Person" from our Charter of Rights so that "security" means a financial instrument and "person" means the strawman created by your birth certificate; therefore; "security of the person" actually means "bond of the strawman", and you, the flesh and blood human, can cash it in to pay off your mortgage, or whatever.

The mind boggles.
 
EldonG said:
No analogy intended. It is a simple fact. If you cannot understand such a fact, even when you drive into Ottawa, and read the sign "CITY OF OTTAWA -INCORPORATED IN 1855" - you say to yourself - "That's just an analogy". .
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So just to be clear, you are saying that this statement:

"all incorporated bodies, including 'bodies politic' are 'make-believe ships at sea'"

is proven by the fact that the City of Ottawa has a sign saying it was incorporated in 1855.

This is your position?

Are you sure you didn't skip a few classes at law school?
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This sounds like you are trying to use the communistic technique of defaming character, rather than showing any legal precedents for your arguments.

The nature of the Roman style 'ship's administration' emphasizes the pyramid without the capstone (captain) showing. Thus, the Executive, legislative and judicial are separate and equal. The Crown of the City of London represents the capstone over the Canadian colony. Let's see a Canadian court take on the corporate Crown of the City of London, or the Queen, it's visible agent. As in maritime 'ship administration law, the captain is inviolate.
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There are numerous cases in Canada where people have succesfully obtained judgment against the crown/queen. This fact is easy to confirm if you did a search of caselaw and disproves your above claim.

Maybe, you should watch the movie, the Mutiny on the Bounty, and then look up the history of what happened to the captain and crew afterwards.
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Without even seeing the movie I am guessing by the title that there was mutiny agianst the captain. Although I am surprised that this movie is where you are getting your legal knowledge from given that I haven't seen this source used very often by the courts.

The only way a court and a judge can gain authority over a man is to directly or deceptively have the man 'identify' himself by the 'legal name' as found on a birth certificate
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There are numerous examples of judges succesfully exercising authority over people who not identified themselves. One such example would be where a person does not even show up to court but a judge still issues a warrant, finds them guilty, orders judgment against them, etc. So again, there are numerous cases that easily disprove your above statement.

You say that courts have jurisdiction over 'citizen' or 'foreign citizen' makes one wonder what lawyers learn in their years of education, doesn't it?
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Not really, because once again numerous cases prove that courts do indeed have this jurisdiction.


Actually, it is impossible to 'identify' an adult human anyway.
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I can think of lots of ways to identify an adult human.

and because a mind is not a physical thing, it cannot be named,
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Are you saying that only physical things can be named?

As a lawyer, look up the meaning and liabilities of an 'undisclosed principal'
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What do you mean "as a lawyer" look up the meaning? I presume that the meaning is the same regardless of who looks it up.

But here are the meanings for those interested. I'll let you explain why this is of any relation to your theories.

Liability: the quality or state of being legally obligated or accountable

Undisclosed principal: a princiapl whose identity is kept secret by the agent
 
JLord said:
Without even seeing the movie I am guessing by the title that there was mutiny against the captain. Although I am surprised that this movie is where you are getting your legal knowledge from given that I haven't seen this source used very often by the courts.
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It would be an interesting court case if one lawyer invoked "Mutiny on the Bounty," and opposing counsel cited "The Caine Mutiny." Stalemate!
 
D'rok said:
There's an FOTL chap named Keith Thompson in Guelph who tried that little move (refusing to identify oneself) and discovered otherwise. Maybe you and he should chat? He must not have performed the ritual correctly, because the court went right ahead without him.



Here's the performance. Maybe you can use your years of legal research and accumulated wisdom to critique it for us.

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Thompson is using Eldon’s detax method too. And Eldon’s been bragging about it.

You would think that after going 0-1 with the Warman method in traffic court Thompson would catch on. On another forum Thompson did the usual freemen and the lamb thing and tried to pretend that his time in traffic court was just research into the workings of "the corporation" which will serve him and his freemen on the lamb buds well later on.

I can imagine what Eldon’s going to do when the CRA catches up with Thompson.. . .he’ll either say Thompson didn’t do “it” right or that the court was really, really, really oppressive this time!
 
EldonG said:
No analogy intended. It is a simple fact. If you cannot understand such a fact, even when you drive into Ottawa, and read the sign "CITY OF OTTAWA -INCORPORATED IN 1855" - you say to yourself - "That's just an analogy". Are you sure you didn't skip a few classes at law school?
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For the millionth time, Eldon, there is a difference between the sort of incorporation a city or a nation does when it forms itself and the sort of incorporation a public or private business does.

In Canada when a city forms, that is a crown corporation and the city has the authority to make and enforce law.

A public company or corporation is developed by investors under the rules of Canada’s security exchange commission. A private corporation is a business established by a person's with no public offering to join as investors.

Again, you are employing a logical fallacy in an attempt to make it seem that cities are the same as public or private businesses.

You have been corrected on this point countless times!
 
EldonG said:
I would very much like to discuss the material I have on my website - in a gentlemanly and civil manner, not my having to respond to smirks, giggles, laughter and attacks upon me. Is there anyone posting here who is intelligent and honest enough to do that?
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Great, Eldon, let’s talk about the parts of your website where you tell people they can welch on their credit card debt and get away with it without suffering any civil or criminal penalities.
 
arayder said:
Thompson is using Eldon’s detax method too. And Eldon’s been bragging about it.
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That figures.

You would think that after going 0-1 with the Warman method in traffic court Thompson would catch on. On another forum Thompson did the usual freemen and the lamb thing and tried to pretend that his time in traffic court was just research into the workings of "the corporation" which will serve him and his freemen on the lamb buds well later on.
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He seems to have become a minor celebrity in FOTL-land. I'm sure bigger failures are still to come.

I can imagine what Eldon’s going to do when the CRA catches up with Thompson.. . .he’ll either say Thompson didn’t do “it” right or that the court was really, really, really oppressive this time!
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Isn't Keith an amateur musician? Does he have an actual job? The CRA may not even be aware of him.
 
D'rok said:
That figures.



He seems to have become a minor celebrity in FOTL-land. I'm sure bigger failures are still to come.

Isn't Keith an amateur musician? Does he have an actual job? The CRA may not even be aware of him.
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Between him posting his Warman style zero detax forms on the web, Eldon touting him as his ticket to relevancy and his traffic court circus show the poor boy is hardly keeping a low profile.

Since he refiled past years as zero tax and used a lot of detax language in his filings he will probably set off some alarms.
 
arayder said:
Between him posting his Warman style zero detax forms on the web, Eldon touting him as his ticket to relevancy and his traffic court circus show the poor boy is hardly keeping a low profile.

Since he refiled past years as zero tax and used a lot of detax language in his filings he will probably set off some alarms.
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Can you point us to where all this is going down? I have an uhealthy obsession with watching these train wrecks.
 
Horatius said:
So, maybe you can clear something up for me - how is any of this different from them just lying about their income? Is anyone really surprised that someone with a declared income of $3500 had no tax owing?
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Yeah, I have the same question.

If he doesn't have a job and just works in the cash economy doing whatever, there won't be a T4 on record for him. He has to declare his income when he files. Which he appears to have done ($3500 per year).

It just looks like he simply lied and is counting on not getting audited.
 
Oh dear. Apparently he's done this after getting audited once already. This ought to be good.
 
This is hilarious! Here's a description of justice, FOTL style:

You have accused the soverign Keith of fraud. King Keith has risen to defend his honour and defend his name. King Keith has invited you to the Pope's court. All the court and King Keith can do is invite you. You don't have to go. But if you don't go, there will most likely be consequences. Court will be held in your absense if King Keith shows up.

So King Keith is at the Pope's court basically wins by default since you didn't show to prove your claim. The court awards King Keith damages and a notice is sent to you to pay him in 30 days. You ignore the notice (as is your choice) and King Keith alerts the court that you have not paid. The court then brands you an outlaw.

Oh, oh. Big problems for King neversay die. As an outlaw you have absolutly no rights or protections from the law. Another soverign can invade your land now and you can't ask for help. The other soverigns may gang up together on you. You may have had mutual protection alliances with some of them but they are banned from dealing with you less they be labbeled outlaws as well

http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?p=45312#p45312
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So, in FOTL "common law" courts, if you don't show up, the court can convict you in absentia. And if you decide not to pay your fine, your rights are removed and you and your property are fair game for all the other FOTLers to loot and pillage.

Yeah, I think I'll stick with the laws of Canada, thanks. What a bunch of idiots.
 
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