Detax Canada

[arayder]

I looked up that fallacy on Wiki...It appears that Eldon's grandfather wears a backpack. What's up with that?

Basically the sleight of hand used by Eldon is to pretend that democratic nations have no more authority than the business down the street since in the forming of both the word “incorporate” is used.

This foolishness is the freeman on the land’s pseudo-scholarship which would have us believe that words have only one meaning and usage.

 

[arayder]

You are talking BS again Jack. The Monarch of England was always a facade, and the Colonies of Britain (a vassal State of the Holy Roman Empire) were ruled by the Crown of the City of London, an independent city/state within England, and that rule was by and through the British Board of Trade.

Ownership of America/Virginia was never severed from the Holy Roman Empire. You obviously haven't read my post on the Manta.com website (Dunn & Bradstreet) that shows that the Archbishop Deric R. McLeod of the Basilica Shrine of the Immaculate Conception of Washington, DC is the listed OWNER
of the Government of the UNITED STATES, and since Roman Catholic Archbishops are priests that vow poverty, that means that this Archbishop is acting as agent for the head Fascist corporation of the World, the Holy Roman Empire.

Eldon, I think you need to pick and argument and stick to it.

First you tell us that the Pope rules the U.S. through the English monarchy. But when it gets pointed out to you that George III really did give up the colonies you change tact and tell us that the Pope never really gave up Virginia because Manta.com says so.

Of course this argument is contradicted by your own admission that the U.S. formed itself when it “incorporated” with the ratification of the Constitution.

 

[carlitos]

You are posting here at the JREF in October. Why would you expect us to believe that what you posted was true "as of August 6th, A.D. 2010?"

The August 6th is part of the quote of the other researcher, not mine.

Well, in that case, you can rejoice in that the "other researcher" was apparently wrong. Not that it would change anything in the real world, but the database you cited does not show that a mysterious church is behind the "Government of the United States." Congratulations.

Help me, Mr. Warman, to find this "additional information." Thank you.

Does the author of the blog not tell you that you have 'to sign up' to get into that info?

I am signed up; I have an account at Manta.com and there is no such section visible on that page. You may wish to do primary research in the future before presenting such information here. You are welcome.

Your failure to understand why a search of a business database shows results for a Congressperson's private office is really not important. I'm sorry that you must draw grand conspiracies from such meaningless trivia as the search results from a D&B database.

As D'rok suggested, I hope that you find a way to walk outside and enjoy life once in a while. Not everyone is out to get you, honest. Not to mention, what does a Canadian care about the US Congress anyway?

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However, you may do well in researching "Canada", "Ontario" in that Manta.com website.

Here is a news flash for you - Manta.com is a private website that uses logical algorithms and public records to provide information on businesses. I wouldn't use that website to search for government anything, and I have no idea why anyone would. That you misinterpret the results of such a search does not surprise me, but again, it says more about your lack of understanding of how the world works than anything else. Take heart, there is no conspiracy. Heck, there is no Roman Empire. Congratulations, you are free from their oppressive yoke!

 

[carlitos]

arayder put it a little more succinctly than I did. Thanks.

Let’s back up and remind the reader that you are trying to tell us that some language you think you saw at some website trumps the U.S. Constitution.

Frankly, that argument is nuts.

 

[Praktik]

Happy Thanksgiving, Eldon.

The leaves are beautiful here in Eastern Ontario/Western Quebec this time of year.

See: (Pic taken last weekend)


Can you still appreciate these sorts of things? Or have your obsessions robbed you of all of life's joys?

King Mountain??

Love that place..

 

[D'rok]

King Mountain??

Love that place..

Close! Tawadina lookout. It's the payoff point of Sentier des Loups (Wolf Trail) which starts at Meech Lake.

 

[JLord]

That's a pretty weak argument, John. You know very well that 'the Courts' are administrative part of the corporation, and thus, a judge can only see a 'corporate' member, which, like crew-members on a ship at sea, are called 'person's (personnel). What yo say just supports my stand that all incorporated bodies, including 'bodies politic' are 'make-believe ships at sea', and administered as such.

So it looks like you're trying to make some kind of analogy that the country is like a corporation and the citizens of the country are shareholders in a corporation. I don't think most corporations have any administrative body similar to a court, but we can assume they do for the sake of argument. The thing is the court has authority over non-citizens as well as citizens. It also has authority over the government itself.

So whether they call people "people" or "free will man" or any other term, the court has and always will have authority over human beings in Canada. They follow the law as set out by government that says you and I are persons. If the law had used a different term instead of persons like "free will man" or something like that we would still be in exactly the same situation. The terminology itself is irrelevant.

 

[arayder]

So it looks like you're trying to make some kind of analogy that the country is like a corporation and the citizens of the country are shareholders in a corporation. I don't think most corporations have any administrative body similar to a court, but we can assume they do for the sake of argument. The thing is the court has authority over non-citizens as well as citizens. It also has authority over the government itself.

So whether they call people "people" or "free will man" or any other term, the court has and always will have authority over human beings in Canada. They follow the law as set out by government that says you and I are persons. If the law had used a different term instead of persons like "free will man" or something like that we would still be in exactly the same situation. The terminology itself is irrelevant.

Eldon doesn’t want to accept how democratic governments get their authority or what that authority is. He thinks that if calls himself a free willed man and pretends that countries are like ships under maritime law his fantasy will become true.

Readers are getting a glimpse of the mental gymnastics Eldon has to go through to avoid the simple reality that western democracies are empowered by the people to make binding law. . .and that that law is applied to all citizens and non-citizens in the geographic area under the authority if the nation.

I never cease to be amazed at the ever twisting knot of conspiracy theories that these freemen on the lamb come up with.

IMHO these theories get more complicated and convoluted for two reasons:

1. The older, simpler theories have been disproven in actual practice. The freemen on the lamb figure that they must have missed something the Founding Fathers, or the Pope, or somebody did, or said, or wrote. . . and they think that if they just ferret the supposed facts out they will be free!

2. Freemen on the lamb think that finding what they imagine is the law’s secret code is akin to proving their middle school teachers where all wrong about their abilities.

 

[EldonG]

This thread, however, is about taxation in Canada. So, I'll ask again: what does your post have to do with the subject matter of the thread?

(ETA: It would be far preferable for you to address the subject matter of the thread than to go off on tangents and/or flights of fancy. The subject matter of the thread is actually taxation in Canada. Have you anything to say about that?)

Correction. The thread is about my website, called Detaxcanada.org, but the vast majority of the posts (by other than myself), are Eldon Warman bashing, and very little discussion on what I have written on my website. And, if there is comment regarding that, it is usually some sort of smirk, without any proof at all for such smirks.

And, it seems that I am the only one posting on this thread being constantly "corrected' or 'censored', when I attempt to defend my character and my intentions in informing Canadians and Americans on the fact that they have had slave status imposed upon them by corporate Government, and as a result, are subject to the forced extortion of the fruits of their labour that is being harvested by the corporate slave master, and its agents.

None of those posting 'off topic' 'ad hominum' crap and 'defamation of character' against myself, Eldon Warman have had posts deleted, censored, or have been banned from this forum.

And, my calling the poster, 'arayder'

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a troll is because he has been sniffing out my posts on all internet forums, and posts totally 'ad hominum' attacks upon me, some disguised to the uninformed reader, and most quite blatant. And, he has been doing this for over 10 years.

Just go back through the pages of this thread and count the number of posts that are totally off topic.

I would very much like to discuss the material I have on my website - in a gentlemanly and civil manner, not my having to respond to smirks, giggles, laughter and attacks upon me. Is there anyone posting here who is intelligent and honest enough to do that?

I really wonder what are you all gaining by supporting the slavery, and results of it upon yourself and your fellow man (or woman - for those who cannot understand that 'man' is also a generic term for a male or female human creature).

 

[EldonG]

Still sunny and beautiful here in Eastern Ontario/Western Quebec. Eldon, it looks like you had a spectacular weekend in Calgary, weather-wise. Did you make it out to Banff? Your taxes pay for that National park, you should enjoy it.

Didn't take any pictures this time, but Mrs. D'rok and I had a lovely time hiking around Lac Phillippe.

http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/North_America/Canada/Central/Quebec/Lac_Philippe/

I'm so glad that Crown corporations like the National Capital Commission exist and maintain natural areas like Gatineau Park. Aren't you?

Obviously, you are unaware that all the National Parks in Canada belong to the United Nations, and the park fees are now so high that very few Calgarians go there any more. I haven't been to Banff in 10 years, except to pass through on the Trans Canada highway. So much for the Canadian people enjoying 'their' National Parks.

And, you seem to already have forgotten that the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York (The bank that owns the voting shares of the Bank of Canada) pointed out in 1946 that Government has no need to impose taxes on the people, and the American Grace Commission (applies to Canada also) reported that "not one cent of income taxes pays for any Government services". But, you obviously choose to ignore that as well. So, what is your point of posting on this thread. Your statements have nothing to do with DetaxCanada.org.

 

[EldonG]

So it looks like you're trying to make some kind of analogy that the country is like a corporation and the citizens of the country are shareholders in a corporation. I don't think most corporations have any administrative body similar to a court, but we can assume they do for the sake of argument. The thing is the court has authority over non-citizens as well as citizens. It also has authority over the government itself.

So whether they call people "people" or "free will man" or any other term, the court has and always will have authority over human beings in Canada. They follow the law as set out by government that says you and I are persons. If the law had used a different term instead of persons like "free will man" or something like that we would still be in exactly the same situation. The terminology itself is irrelevant.

No analogy intended. It is a simple fact. If you cannot understand such a fact, even when you drive into Ottawa, and read the sign "CITY OF OTTAWA -INCORPORATED IN 1855" - you say to yourself - "That's just an analogy". Are you sure you didn't skip a few classes at law school?

The nature of the Roman style 'ship's administration' emphasizes the pyramid without the capstone (captain) showing. Thus, the Executive, legislative and judicial are separate and equal. The Crown of the City of London represents the capstone over the Canadian colony. Let's see a Canadian court take on the corporate Crown of the City of London, or the Queen, it's visible agent. As in maritime 'ship administration law, the captain is inviolate. Maybe, you should watch the movie, the Mutiny on the Bounty, and then look up the history of what happened to the captain and crew afterwards.

The only way a court and a judge can gain authority over a man is to directly or deceptively have the man 'identify' himself by the 'legal name' as found on a birth certificate, where the family name has been converted into a primary or sur name. Until they have accomplished that, they cannot proceed. If the man does accept that he or she is 'one and the same as' that Crown owned intellectual property, called the 'legal name', then he is now considered to be a 'person' (ship crewmember) as a combined entity where the man is considered to be an attachment to the legal name. You say that courts have jurisdiction over 'citizen' [slave granted privileges in exchange for obedience to the slave owner's rules (acts, statutes and laws)] or 'foreign citizen' -
(a slave of another country/make-believe ship at sea) - makes one wonder what lawyers learn in their years of education, doesn't it?

You see, I inform people that the above is exactly what Government intends - have us declared property of the corporate Crown because we ignorantly 'identify' ourselves as being 'one and the same as' the crown owned legal name - yes, I know, this is a re-hash.

However, I teach people that we are 'free will creature's by nature/by Creator God's design and intent, but in the fascist/corporatist world created by the Priesthood of Rome/Babylon, we, being land creatures, must use a communication device to communicate with the maritime corporate world of make-believe ships at sea. Since commerce is trade or business at sea, (and 'barter' is trade or business on the land), we must use an identifying name as our agent in commerce, but not use it to 'identify' ourselves. Actually, it is impossible to 'identify' an adult human anyway. They are a mind existing within a human body, and because a mind is not a physical thing, it cannot be named, or identified by any physical attributes. And, in our use of such an 'agent', we, being un-nameable, become 'an undisclosed principal'. As a lawyer, look up the meaning and liabilities of an 'undisclosed principal'.

 

[EldonG]

Middle school teachers where all wrong about their abilities.

Jack, I would say you are living proof of that fact. Your seemingly naive understandings of the real world would suggest that you have been one of the more seriously affected victims.

And, why are you repeating the 'freeman of the lamb(sic)'? If you imply that you are commenting on my website, detaxcanada.org, then, you had better go back and do some more reading. I haven't use the term 'freeman' since I found out that it was just another name for 'slave', and that was at least 12 years ago.

And, you must have had a lot of Communist teachers to boot, since you certainly make use of the Communistic technique of defaming character by repeated uses of words and phrases that are supposed to engender 'ill feelings' toward the subject of your slander and liable.

 

[arayder]

Jack, I would say you are living proof of that fact. Your seemingly naive understandings of the real world would suggest that you have been one of the more seriously affected victims.

And, why are you repeating the 'freeman of the lamb(sic)'? If you imply that you are commenting on my website, detaxcanada.org, then, you had better go back and do some more reading. I haven't use the term 'freeman' since I found out that it was just another name for 'slave', and that was at least 12 years ago.

And, you must have had a lot of Communist teachers to boot, since you certainly make use of the Communistic technique of defaming character by repeated uses of words and phrases that are supposed to engender 'ill feelings' toward the subject of your slander and liable.

It isn’t slander to report that freedmen on the lamb and detaxers (FOLDS) have, over the years, been unable to find any basis in law, history or custom for their claims.

After decades of failure the cult is reduced to surfing the web for factoids they think are a sign of the various conspiracies they imagine are responsible for what is, in reality, their self-immolation.

As has been demonstrated in this thread FOLDS are most comically reduced to feeding the conspiracy Godzilla they have birthed by visiting each other’s websites for the latest gibberish which they repost as scholarly research.

But that’s enough examination of your cult, Eldon.

You can save the day by simply giving us the basis in law for your claims.

Do you need help finding the law?

 

[arayder]

No analogy intended. It is a simple fact. If you cannot understand such a fact, even when you drive into Ottawa, and read the sign "CITY OF OTTAWA -INCORPORATED IN 1855" - you say to yourself - "That's just an analogy". Are you sure you didn't skip a few classes at law school?

The nature of the Roman style 'ship's administration' emphasizes the pyramid without the capstone (captain) showing. Thus, the Executive, legislative and judicial are separate and equal. The Crown of the City of London represents the capstone over the Canadian colony. Let's see a Canadian court take on the corporate Crown of the City of London, or the Queen, it's visible agent. As in maritime 'ship administration law, the captain is inviolate. Maybe, you should watch the movie, the Mutiny on the Bounty, and then look up the history of what happened to the captain and crew afterwards.

The only way a court and a judge can gain authority over a man is to directly or deceptively have the man 'identify' himself by the 'legal name' as found on a birth certificate, where the family name has been converted into a primary or sur name. Until they have accomplished that, they cannot proceed. If the man does accept that he or she is 'one and the same as' that Crown owned intellectual property, called the 'legal name', then he is now considered to be a 'person' (ship crewmember) as a combined entity where the man is considered to be an attachment to the legal name. You say that courts have jurisdiction over 'citizen' [slave granted privileges in exchange for obedience to the slave owner's rules (acts, statutes and laws)] or 'foreign citizen' -
(a slave of another country/make-believe ship at sea) - makes one wonder what lawyers learn in their years of education, doesn't it?

You see, I inform people that the above is exactly what Government intends - have us declared property of the corporate Crown because we ignorantly 'identify' ourselves as being 'one and the same as' the crown owned legal name - yes, I know, this is a re-hash.

However, I teach people that we are 'free will creature's by nature/by Creator God's design and intent, but in the fascist/corporatist world created by the Priesthood of Rome/Babylon, we, being land creatures, must use a communication device to communicate with the maritime corporate world of make-believe ships at sea. Since commerce is trade or business at sea, (and 'barter' is trade or business on the land), we must use an identifying name as our agent in commerce, but not use it to 'identify' ourselves. Actually, it is impossible to 'identify' an adult human anyway. They are a mind existing within a human body, and because a mind is not a physical thing, it cannot be named, or identified by any physical attributes. And, in our use of such an 'agent', we, being un-nameable, become 'an undisclosed principal'. As a lawyer, look up the meaning and liabilities of an 'undisclosed principal'.

Other than the fact that you think the above is so and have posted it on your website, what is the basis in law for your claims?

 

[arayder]

I would very much like to discuss the material I have on my website - in a gentlemanly and civil manner, not my having to respond to smirks, giggles, laughter and attacks upon me.

Has it occurred to you that the nature of the materials at your website is the source of the laughter? That you might be like the guy who comes out of the toilet stall with a long strand of toilet paper stuck to the bottom of his shoe and everyone sees it but him?

 

[D'rok]

Obviously, you are unaware that all the National Parks in Canada belong to the United Nations, and the park fees are now so high that very few Calgarians go there any more. I haven't been to Banff in 10 years, except to pass through on the Trans Canada highway. So much for the Canadian people enjoying 'their' National Parks.

And, you seem to already have forgotten that the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York (The bank that owns the voting shares of the Bank of Canada) pointed out in 1946 that Government has no need to impose taxes on the people, and the American Grace Commission (applies to Canada also) reported that "not one cent of income taxes pays for any Government services". But, you obviously choose to ignore that as well. So, what is your point of posting on this thread. Your statements have nothing to do with DetaxCanada.org.

You never fail to amuse, Eldon.

Except this is getting tragic. 10 years without going to the UN Banff? You've got to get out more.

 

[arayder]

And, my calling the poster, 'arayder'

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a troll is because he has been sniffing out my posts on all internet forums, and posts totally 'ad hominum' attacks upon me, some disguised to the uninformed reader, and most quite blatant. And, he has been doing this for over 10 years.

You give me too much credit, Eldon. Even though you may think everyone who gets after you on the web is either me or directed by me, that is not the case.

Ignoring the fact that you have gotten my name wrong and have quite possibly subjected an innocent person to the wrath of your less stable colleagues, one has to wonder what state of mind drives you to believe that, as you have so often claimed, that I am an agent of Israeli intelligence services sent to hound on the internet?

 

[carlitos]

....I teach people that we are 'free will creature's by nature/by Creator God's design and intent, but in the fascist/corporatist world created by the Priesthood of Rome/Babylon, we, being land creatures, must use a communication device to communicate with the maritime corporate world of make-believe ships at sea. Since commerce is trade or business at sea, (and 'barter' is trade or business on the land), we must use an identifying name as our agent in commerce, but not use it to 'identify' ourselves. Actually, it is impossible to 'identify' an adult human anyway. They are a mind existing within a human body, and because a mind is not a physical thing, it cannot be named, or identified by any physical attributes. And, in our use of such an 'agent', we, being un-nameable, become 'an undisclosed principal'. As a lawyer, look up the meaning and liabilities of an 'undisclosed principal'.

EldonG, you have received about a dozen warnings and a couple of suspensions in your very short history posting at the JREF forums. Given that you can't even follow the rules for a simple internet forum, why would I believe that you have a secret method of avoiding income taxes? Tax law seems far more complex than the JREF membership agreement.

Other than your assertions, none of the information you post appears to be true, or have any basis in fact.

Obviously, you are unaware that all the National Parks in Canada belong to the United Nations, and the park fees are now so high that very few Calgarians go there any more. I haven't been to Banff in 10 years, except to pass through on the Trans Canada highway. So much for the Canadian people enjoying 'their' National Parks.

Banff is a UNESCO "World Heritage Site." That does not mean that it is owned by the United Nations. Again, a simple misunderstanding of reality that does not inspire confidence in you or your methods. More than half of the four million annual visitors to Banff are from the greater Calgary area. Is it your assertion that 2 million is "very few?"

As suggested earlier, you really should get out and enjoy life a bit.

 

[twinstead]

Eldon's arguments are very similar to my 10 year old daughter trying to get out of getting in trouble for doing something against the rules. She can twist and turn and re-define words all she wants, she can whine and cry all she wants, but in the end the adults recognize it for what it is: just a transparent attempt at not taking responsibility for her actions.

The semantic gibberish these anti-tax folks use to make themselves feel special, aloof, and not subject to any responsibility is amazing to me.

 

[D'rok]

The only way a court and a judge can gain authority over a man is to directly or deceptively have the man 'identify' himself by the 'legal name' as found on a birth certificate, where the family name has been converted into a primary or sur name. Until they have accomplished that, they cannot proceed.

There's an FOTL chap named Keith Thompson in Guelph who tried that little move (refusing to identify oneself) and discovered otherwise. Maybe you and he should chat? He must not have performed the ritual correctly, because the court went right ahead without him.

"Keith Thompson failed to show in Guelph’s provincial offences court Thursday but his trial proceeded in his absence. The court found him guilty of two offences of illegally parking a car outside a driveway or a legal off-street parking area."

http://news.guelphmercury.com/News/article/696416

Here's the performance. Maybe you can use your years of legal research and accumulated wisdom to critique it for us.